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Java Jive (2:221/10)
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Date: Mon, 27.12.21 14:14
Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computing
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Date: Mon, 27.12.21 14:14
Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computing
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From: Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
On 27/12/2021 13:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> Once Maggie had fucked the coal unions her party couldn't wait to fuck
> her - job done, now let the establishment chaps run things.
FALSE! What killed off Maggie was the Community Charge, aka the Poll
Tax. No government can survive taking 6m, I think it was, of its
householders to court. I knew of a couple who were stalwarts of the
local Conservative Party who resigned from it and fought the tax.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_tax_(Great_Britain)
"According to the BBC, up to 30 per cent of former ratepayers in some
areas refused to pay.[7]
The anti-poll-tax organisations encouraged non-payers not to register,
to clog up the courts by contesting local council attempts to gain
liability orders, and ultimately, not to attend court hearings arising
from their non-compliance.[8] In November 1990, South Yorkshire police
said they were planning to refuse to arrest poll tax defaulters, even
when instructed to by the courts, because it would be "physically
impossible for the police because of the large number of defaulters".[9]
[...]
Political consequences
After the poll tax was announced, opinion polls showed the Labour
opposition opening a strong lead over the Conservative government. After
the Poll Tax Riots, Conservative ministers contemplated abolition of the
tax but knew that, as a flagship Thatcherite policy, its abolition would
not be possible while Thatcher was still Prime Minister.[12] Kinnock had
vowed to abolish the poll tax if he won the next general election.[13]
For this, among other reasons, Thatcher was challenged by Michael
Heseltine for the Conservative leadership in November 1990. Although she
prevailed by a margin of fifty votes, she narrowly missed the threshold
to avoid a second vote, and on 22 November 1990 she announced her
resignation after more than a decade in office. All three of the
contenders to succeed her pledged to abandon the tax."
> [Snip yet more claims unsubstantiated by any *EVIDENCE*!]
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From: Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
On 27/12/2021 13:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> Once Maggie had fucked the coal unions her party couldn't wait to fuck
> her - job done, now let the establishment chaps run things.
FALSE! What killed off Maggie was the Community Charge, aka the Poll
Tax. No government can survive taking 6m, I think it was, of its
householders to court. I knew of a couple who were stalwarts of the
local Conservative Party who resigned from it and fought the tax.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_tax_(Great_Britain)
"According to the BBC, up to 30 per cent of former ratepayers in some
areas refused to pay.[7]
The anti-poll-tax organisations encouraged non-payers not to register,
to clog up the courts by contesting local council attempts to gain
liability orders, and ultimately, not to attend court hearings arising
from their non-compliance.[8] In November 1990, South Yorkshire police
said they were planning to refuse to arrest poll tax defaulters, even
when instructed to by the courts, because it would be "physically
impossible for the police because of the large number of defaulters".[9]
[...]
Political consequences
After the poll tax was announced, opinion polls showed the Labour
opposition opening a strong lead over the Conservative government. After
the Poll Tax Riots, Conservative ministers contemplated abolition of the
tax but knew that, as a flagship Thatcherite policy, its abolition would
not be possible while Thatcher was still Prime Minister.[12] Kinnock had
vowed to abolish the poll tax if he won the next general election.[13]
For this, among other reasons, Thatcher was challenged by Michael
Heseltine for the Conservative leadership in November 1990. Although she
prevailed by a margin of fifty votes, she narrowly missed the threshold
to avoid a second vote, and on 22 November 1990 she announced her
resignation after more than a decade in office. All three of the
contenders to succeed her pledged to abandon the tax."
> [Snip yet more claims unsubstantiated by any *EVIDENCE*!]
--
Fake news kills!
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From:
Java Jive (2:221/10)
To: All
Date: Mon, 27.12.21 14:17
Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computing
To: All
Date: Mon, 27.12.21 14:17
Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computing
XPost: alt.os.linux, talk.politics.misc
From: Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
On 27/12/2021 01:20, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> On 26/12/2021 22:52, TimS wrote:
>>
>> You could always look at gridwatch.org.uk to see what is actually
>> happening
>> minute to minute with UK electricity - or French for that matter.
It has shown a year-on-year increase in the proportion of our
electricity generated by renewable sources.
> [Snip yet more claims unsubstantiated by any *EVIDENCE*]
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From: Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
On 27/12/2021 01:20, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> On 26/12/2021 22:52, TimS wrote:
>>
>> You could always look at gridwatch.org.uk to see what is actually
>> happening
>> minute to minute with UK electricity - or French for that matter.
It has shown a year-on-year increase in the proportion of our
electricity generated by renewable sources.
> [Snip yet more claims unsubstantiated by any *EVIDENCE*]
--
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From:
Java Jive (2:221/10)
To: All
Date: Mon, 27.12.21 14:27
Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computing
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Date: Mon, 27.12.21 14:27
Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computing
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From: Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
On 27/12/2021 13:48, Axel Berger wrote:
>
> Java Jive wrote:
>>
>> You're sig
>> Fake news kills!
>
> Why should I fake them?
Hopefully you won't, but sadly many people do, including one in
particular participating in this subthread.
During WW2 there were posters in bars and other public meeting places
which said something like: "Careless talk costs lives!", designed to
warn forces staff off discussing operational matters in a public space
where they could be overheard by potential spies.
"Fake news kills!" is my adaptation of that to modern times, in response
to the increasing amounts, and increasingly dangerous types of, fake
news that were and unfortunately are still being propagated in response
to the pandemic.
--
Fake news kills!
I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
www.macfh.co.uk
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From: Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
On 27/12/2021 13:48, Axel Berger wrote:
>
> Java Jive wrote:
>>
>> You're sig
>> Fake news kills!
>
> Why should I fake them?
Hopefully you won't, but sadly many people do, including one in
particular participating in this subthread.
During WW2 there were posters in bars and other public meeting places
which said something like: "Careless talk costs lives!", designed to
warn forces staff off discussing operational matters in a public space
where they could be overheard by potential spies.
"Fake news kills!" is my adaptation of that to modern times, in response
to the increasing amounts, and increasingly dangerous types of, fake
news that were and unfortunately are still being propagated in response
to the pandemic.
--
Fake news kills!
I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
www.macfh.co.uk
---
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From:
Ahem A Rivet's Shot (2:221/10)
To: All
Date: Mon, 27.12.21 15:40
Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computing
To: All
Date: Mon, 27.12.21 15:40
Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computing
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From: Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 14:27:51 +0000
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> During WW2 there were posters in bars and other public meeting places
> which said something like: "Careless talk costs lives!"
"Loose lips sink ships" IIRC.
--
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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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From: Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 14:27:51 +0000
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> During WW2 there were posters in bars and other public meeting places
> which said something like: "Careless talk costs lives!"
"Loose lips sink ships" IIRC.
--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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From:
TimS (2:221/10)
To: All
Date: Mon, 27.12.21 17:14
Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computing
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Date: Mon, 27.12.21 17:14
Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computing
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From: TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net>
On 27 Dec 2021 at 15:40:34 GMT, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 14:27:51 +0000
> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> During WW2 there were posters in bars and other public meeting places
>> which said something like: "Careless talk costs lives!"
>
> "Loose lips sink ships" IIRC.
The long time that it took for many parts of the US East Coast to get proper
blackouts in place didn't help, either.
--
Tim
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From: TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net>
On 27 Dec 2021 at 15:40:34 GMT, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 14:27:51 +0000
> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> During WW2 there were posters in bars and other public meeting places
>> which said something like: "Careless talk costs lives!"
>
> "Loose lips sink ships" IIRC.
The long time that it took for many parts of the US East Coast to get proper
blackouts in place didn't help, either.
--
Tim
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From:
Charlie Gibbs (2:221/10)
To: All
Date: Mon, 27.12.21 17:36
Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computing
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Date: Mon, 27.12.21 17:36
Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computing
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From: Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
On 2021-12-27, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> There is one problem with nuclear that you ignore, and for which
> nobody has yet found a solution - it has become increasingly difficult to
> site and fund a nuclear power plant ever since the Three Mile Island plant
> had troubles.
I've always considered this ironic. The Three Mile Island meltdown
was physically so well contained that I think of it as a demonstration
of the safety of nuclear power under worst-case conditions. At least
if a plant is well designed and decently run - Chernobyl is the other
side of the coin. But poor management can make a disaster of any
design - at your next seance, ask those 346 passengers on two 737 MAXes..
> If some bright spark invents a table-top fusion reactor with no
> output other than electricity and heat that costs like a microwave oven to
> build and produces a gigawatt hour out of a teaspoon of water ... they'd
> better not use the word "nuclear" when describing it.
Pronounced "nook-yoo-lur", of course.
> Have you met any human beings ? In groups ? In *large* groups ?
> They're not an engineering problem - unless you mean social engineering
> which is a very different thing.
Sad but true.
No one in this world, so far as I know - and I have
searched the records for years, and employed agents
to help me - has ever lost money by underestimating
the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people.
Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.
-- H.L. Mencken
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship.
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult.
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.
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From: Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
On 2021-12-27, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> There is one problem with nuclear that you ignore, and for which
> nobody has yet found a solution - it has become increasingly difficult to
> site and fund a nuclear power plant ever since the Three Mile Island plant
> had troubles.
I've always considered this ironic. The Three Mile Island meltdown
was physically so well contained that I think of it as a demonstration
of the safety of nuclear power under worst-case conditions. At least
if a plant is well designed and decently run - Chernobyl is the other
side of the coin. But poor management can make a disaster of any
design - at your next seance, ask those 346 passengers on two 737 MAXes..
> If some bright spark invents a table-top fusion reactor with no
> output other than electricity and heat that costs like a microwave oven to
> build and produces a gigawatt hour out of a teaspoon of water ... they'd
> better not use the word "nuclear" when describing it.
Pronounced "nook-yoo-lur", of course.
> Have you met any human beings ? In groups ? In *large* groups ?
> They're not an engineering problem - unless you mean social engineering
> which is a very different thing.
Sad but true.
No one in this world, so far as I know - and I have
searched the records for years, and employed agents
to help me - has ever lost money by underestimating
the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people.
Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.
-- H.L. Mencken
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship.
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult.
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.
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From:
Java Jive (2:221/10)
To: All
Date: Mon, 27.12.21 18:03
Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computing
To: All
Date: Mon, 27.12.21 18:03
Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computing
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From: Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
On 27/12/2021 15:40, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 14:27:51 +0000
> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> During WW2 there were posters in bars and other public meeting places
>> which said something like: "Careless talk costs lives!"
>
> "Loose lips sink ships" IIRC.
Not here in the UK, I've never heard that one before, my version was
hazily remembered from a book by Nevil Shute, and the examples below
show my memory to have been correct:
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Careless+talk+costs+lives!%22
--
Fake news kills!
I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
www.macfh.co.uk
---
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From: Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
On 27/12/2021 15:40, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 14:27:51 +0000
> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> During WW2 there were posters in bars and other public meeting places
>> which said something like: "Careless talk costs lives!"
>
> "Loose lips sink ships" IIRC.
Not here in the UK, I've never heard that one before, my version was
hazily remembered from a book by Nevil Shute, and the examples below
show my memory to have been correct:
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Careless+talk+costs+lives!%22
--
Fake news kills!
I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
www.macfh.co.uk
---
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From:
Ahem A Rivet's Shot (2:221/10)
To: All
Date: Mon, 27.12.21 19:15
Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computing
To: All
Date: Mon, 27.12.21 19:15
Re: Taking a Stand in the War on General-Purpose Computing
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From: Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 18:03:29 +0000
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 27/12/2021 15:40, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> > On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 14:27:51 +0000
> > Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> During WW2 there were posters in bars and other public meeting places
> >> which said something like: "Careless talk costs lives!"
> >
> > "Loose lips sink ships" IIRC.
>
> Not here in the UK, I've never heard that one before, my version was
You're right that one originated in the USA.
--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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From: Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 18:03:29 +0000
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 27/12/2021 15:40, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> > On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 14:27:51 +0000
> > Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> During WW2 there were posters in bars and other public meeting places
> >> which said something like: "Careless talk costs lives!"
> >
> > "Loose lips sink ships" IIRC.
>
> Not here in the UK, I've never heard that one before, my version was
You're right that one originated in the USA.
--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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