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so folks....
I work for a large automotive company.. who buys lots of old machines....
one comes in, from Switzerland, with an OS/2 warp based HMI
so, for the first time since I began using PC's in the early 90's I have to
learn OS/2 to maintain this beast....
it' oS/2 warp 4.0... kind of neat, running custom software in the os/2 GUI
type mode, with some kind of CAM type interface...
and i'll be maintaining it till the machine dies or is replaced, and they even
talkked about getting a second machine... it'll be in serice probably until
2030!
crazy eh
--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
I work for a large automotive company.. who buys lots of old machines....
one comes in, from Switzerland, with an OS/2 warp based HMI
so, for the first time since I began using PC's in the early 90's I have to
learn OS/2 to maintain this beast....
it' oS/2 warp 4.0... kind of neat, running custom software in the os/2 GUI
type mode, with some kind of CAM type interface...
and i'll be maintaining it till the machine dies or is replaced, and they even
talkked about getting a second machine... it'll be in serice probably until
2030!
crazy eh
--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
-=> DANIEL JUAREZ wrote to STAN HOSDAR <=-
DJ> On OS/2 one thing I have yet to learn is how objects are used properly.
DJ> I mean, just trying to make what I would consider a shortcut on the
DJ> desktop to an application, I have not figured out without copying the
DJ> whole application to the desktop. But, I confess I have not put much
I could be wrong, but I believe what you have to do is create a
"shadow". On my ArcaOS system, you can right click on an object and
"Create Shadow" and it will then ask where to place the shadow (to the
Desktop) and then you have a shortcut to that obj on the desktop.
I think object oriented stuff was taken to the extreme on WPS. You
could do a lot of really cool stuff, like drag docs to the printer to
print them. And one feature I used a lot was having sort of a "work
folder" and if I opened that folder (filled with shadows), everything
in the folder was opened. I could have a "BBS" folder, with telnet,
multimail and dos shell "shadows" and when I opened it, all those would
open up.
Kev
(by no means an OS/2 guru, but I was in Team OS/2 for awhile :>
--- Telegard/2/QWK v3.09.g2-sp4/mL
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DJ> On OS/2 one thing I have yet to learn is how objects are used properly.
DJ> I mean, just trying to make what I would consider a shortcut on the
DJ> desktop to an application, I have not figured out without copying the
DJ> whole application to the desktop. But, I confess I have not put much
I could be wrong, but I believe what you have to do is create a
"shadow". On my ArcaOS system, you can right click on an object and
"Create Shadow" and it will then ask where to place the shadow (to the
Desktop) and then you have a shortcut to that obj on the desktop.
I think object oriented stuff was taken to the extreme on WPS. You
could do a lot of really cool stuff, like drag docs to the printer to
print them. And one feature I used a lot was having sort of a "work
folder" and if I opened that folder (filled with shadows), everything
in the folder was opened. I could have a "BBS" folder, with telnet,
multimail and dos shell "shadows" and when I opened it, all those would
open up.
Kev
(by no means an OS/2 guru, but I was in Team OS/2 for awhile :>
--- Telegard/2/QWK v3.09.g2-sp4/mL
* Origin: Razor's Domain/2 BBS (1:19/50.1)
-=> Quoting Kevin Nunn to Daniel Juarez <=-
KN> I could be wrong, but I believe what you have to do is create a
KN> "shadow". On my ArcaOS system, you can right click on an object and
KN> "Create Shadow" and it will then ask where to place the shadow (to the
KN> Desktop) and then you have a shortcut to that obj on the desktop.
KN> I think object oriented stuff was taken to the extreme on WPS. You
KN> could do a lot of really cool stuff, like drag docs to the printer to
KN> print them. And one feature I used a lot was having sort of a "work
KN> folder" and if I opened that folder (filled with shadows), everything
KN> in the folder was opened. I could have a "BBS" folder, with telnet,
KN> multimail and dos shell "shadows" and when I opened it, all those
KN> would open up.
I tried that on a Seamonkey web browser executable and it worked, but
when I clicked on the icon, it just opens the Properties dialog box.
Then I was reminded of that issue to. I have the Seamonkey executable in
a folder and when I click on it, it just opens the properties dialog
box, it doesn't actually execute the program. What's up with that? LOL
~Elf
,---------------------------,
| /---------------------\ |
| | | |
| | Long Live | |
| | DOS!! | |
| | | |
| | | |
| \_____________________/ |
|___________________________|
,---\_____ [] _______/------,
/ /______________\ /|
/___________________________________ / | ___
| | |
| 486DX66 [-------] | | (
| o o o [-------] | / _)_
|__________________________________ |/ / /
/-------------------------------------/| ( )/
/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ /
/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ /
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
... Shoplifters with the runs always take Clepto Bismol.
___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30
--- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
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KN> I could be wrong, but I believe what you have to do is create a
KN> "shadow". On my ArcaOS system, you can right click on an object and
KN> "Create Shadow" and it will then ask where to place the shadow (to the
KN> Desktop) and then you have a shortcut to that obj on the desktop.
KN> I think object oriented stuff was taken to the extreme on WPS. You
KN> could do a lot of really cool stuff, like drag docs to the printer to
KN> print them. And one feature I used a lot was having sort of a "work
KN> folder" and if I opened that folder (filled with shadows), everything
KN> in the folder was opened. I could have a "BBS" folder, with telnet,
KN> multimail and dos shell "shadows" and when I opened it, all those
KN> would open up.
I tried that on a Seamonkey web browser executable and it worked, but
when I clicked on the icon, it just opens the Properties dialog box.
Then I was reminded of that issue to. I have the Seamonkey executable in
a folder and when I click on it, it just opens the properties dialog
box, it doesn't actually execute the program. What's up with that? LOL
~Elf
,---------------------------,
| /---------------------\ |
| | | |
| | Long Live | |
| | DOS!! | |
| | | |
| | | |
| \_____________________/ |
|___________________________|
,---\_____ [] _______/------,
/ /______________\ /|
/___________________________________ / | ___
| | |
| 486DX66 [-------] | | (
| o o o [-------] | / _)_
|__________________________________ |/ / /
/-------------------------------------/| ( )/
/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ /
/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ /
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
... Shoplifters with the runs always take Clepto Bismol.
___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30
--- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
* Origin: End Of The Line BBS - endofthelinebbs.com (1:124/5016)
-=> DANIEL JUAREZ wrote to KEVIN NUNN <=-
DJ> I tried that on a Seamonkey web browser executable and it worked, but
DJ> when I clicked on the icon, it just opens the Properties dialog box.
DJ> Then I was reminded of that issue to. I have the Seamonkey executable
DJ> in a folder and when I click on it, it just opens the properties dialog
DJ> box, it doesn't actually execute the program. What's up with that? LOL
I seem to remeber that I had that issue in the past and I am
remembering it had something to do with the "default" open option. If
you right click on the exe or shadow and go to "Open", you should have
2 options, DEFAULT and SETTINGS, and there is a bullet next to
the default, it might have "SETTINGS" selected as the default and I
can't remember right now how to change that.
Also check on the properties under the TYPE tab, it should have
"Executable" under "Current Types"
For some reason this issue rings a bell in my head, but I can't recall
how I dealt with it.
Kev
--- Telegard/2/QWK v3.09.g2-sp4/mL
* Origin: Razor's Domain/2 BBS (1:19/50.1)
DJ> I tried that on a Seamonkey web browser executable and it worked, but
DJ> when I clicked on the icon, it just opens the Properties dialog box.
DJ> Then I was reminded of that issue to. I have the Seamonkey executable
DJ> in a folder and when I click on it, it just opens the properties dialog
DJ> box, it doesn't actually execute the program. What's up with that? LOL
I seem to remeber that I had that issue in the past and I am
remembering it had something to do with the "default" open option. If
you right click on the exe or shadow and go to "Open", you should have
2 options, DEFAULT and SETTINGS, and there is a bullet next to
the default, it might have "SETTINGS" selected as the default and I
can't remember right now how to change that.
Also check on the properties under the TYPE tab, it should have
"Executable" under "Current Types"
For some reason this issue rings a bell in my head, but I can't recall
how I dealt with it.
Kev
--- Telegard/2/QWK v3.09.g2-sp4/mL
* Origin: Razor's Domain/2 BBS (1:19/50.1)
-=> Quoting Kevin Nunn to Daniel Juarez <=-
KN> I seem to remeber that I had that issue in the past and I am
KN> remembering it had something to do with the "default" open option. If
KN> you right click on the exe or shadow and go to "Open", you should have
KN> 2 options, DEFAULT and SETTINGS, and there is a bullet next to
KN> the default, it might have "SETTINGS" selected as the default and I
KN> can't remember right now how to change that.
KN> Also check on the properties under the TYPE tab, it should have
KN> "Executable" under "Current Types"
I right-clicked on the exe file and then chose Create Program Object >
Default. It asked where I wanted to put the file, and I just chose the
same folder the executable was already in. When I double clicked the new
program object, it says "Cannot start C:\DESKTOP\SEAMONKE\SEAMONKE.EXE"
and gives some reasons why that might be. At least now I have it try to
execute something, so that is a step forward!
Thanks!
~Elf
,---------------------------,
| /---------------------\ |
| | | |
| | Long Live | |
| | DOS!! | |
| | | |
| | | |
| \_____________________/ |
|___________________________|
,---\_____ [] _______/------,
/ /______________\ /|
/___________________________________ / | ___
| | |
| 486DX66 [-------] | | (
| o o o [-------] | / _)_
|__________________________________ |/ / /
/-------------------------------------/| ( )/
/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ /
/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ /
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
... California raisins murdered! Cereal killer suspected.
___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30
--- SBBSecho 3.14-Win32
* Origin: Diamond Mine Online BBS - bbs.dmine.net:24 (1:275/89)
KN> I seem to remeber that I had that issue in the past and I am
KN> remembering it had something to do with the "default" open option. If
KN> you right click on the exe or shadow and go to "Open", you should have
KN> 2 options, DEFAULT and SETTINGS, and there is a bullet next to
KN> the default, it might have "SETTINGS" selected as the default and I
KN> can't remember right now how to change that.
KN> Also check on the properties under the TYPE tab, it should have
KN> "Executable" under "Current Types"
I right-clicked on the exe file and then chose Create Program Object >
Default. It asked where I wanted to put the file, and I just chose the
same folder the executable was already in. When I double clicked the new
program object, it says "Cannot start C:\DESKTOP\SEAMONKE\SEAMONKE.EXE"
and gives some reasons why that might be. At least now I have it try to
execute something, so that is a step forward!
Thanks!
~Elf
,---------------------------,
| /---------------------\ |
| | | |
| | Long Live | |
| | DOS!! | |
| | | |
| | | |
| \_____________________/ |
|___________________________|
,---\_____ [] _______/------,
/ /______________\ /|
/___________________________________ / | ___
| | |
| 486DX66 [-------] | | (
| o o o [-------] | / _)_
|__________________________________ |/ / /
/-------------------------------------/| ( )/
/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ /
/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ /
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
... California raisins murdered! Cereal killer suspected.
___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30
--- SBBSecho 3.14-Win32
* Origin: Diamond Mine Online BBS - bbs.dmine.net:24 (1:275/89)
-=> DANIEL JUAREZ wrote to KEVIN NUNN <=-
DJ> I right-clicked on the exe file and then chose Create Program Object >
DJ> Default. It asked where I wanted to put the file, and I just chose the
DJ> same folder the executable was already in. When I double clicked the
I think all that does is create another EXE file. The differences
between how OS/2 and Windoes handle icons is so different that it's
hard to grasp what the right thing to do in OS/2 is.
And I only use my box around once a week, so not much practice.
Kev
--- Telegard/2/QWK v3.09.g2-sp4/mL
* Origin: Razor's Domain/2 BBS (1:19/50.1)
DJ> I right-clicked on the exe file and then chose Create Program Object >
DJ> Default. It asked where I wanted to put the file, and I just chose the
DJ> same folder the executable was already in. When I double clicked the
I think all that does is create another EXE file. The differences
between how OS/2 and Windoes handle icons is so different that it's
hard to grasp what the right thing to do in OS/2 is.
And I only use my box around once a week, so not much practice.
Kev
--- Telegard/2/QWK v3.09.g2-sp4/mL
* Origin: Razor's Domain/2 BBS (1:19/50.1)
-=> Quoting Kevin Nunn to Daniel Juarez <=-
KN> I think all that does is create another EXE file. The differences
KN> between how OS/2 and Windoes handle icons is so different that it's
KN> hard to grasp what the right thing to do in OS/2 is.
KN> And I only use my box around once a week, so not much practice.
Yeah, and I use it less than that. I just like it for the nastalgia.
~Elf
,---------------------------,
| /---------------------\ |
| | | |
| | Long Live | |
| | DOS!! | |
| | | |
| | | |
| \_____________________/ |
|___________________________|
,---\_____ [] _______/------,
/ /______________\ /|
/___________________________________ / | ___
| | |
| 486DX66 [-------] | | (
| o o o [-------] | / _)_
|__________________________________ |/ / /
/-------------------------------------/| ( )/
/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ /
/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ /
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
... My other vehicle is a Galaxy Class Starship ...
___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30
--- SBBSecho 3.14-Win32
* Origin: Diamond Mine Online BBS - bbs.dmine.net:24 (1:275/89)
KN> I think all that does is create another EXE file. The differences
KN> between how OS/2 and Windoes handle icons is so different that it's
KN> hard to grasp what the right thing to do in OS/2 is.
KN> And I only use my box around once a week, so not much practice.
Yeah, and I use it less than that. I just like it for the nastalgia.
~Elf
,---------------------------,
| /---------------------\ |
| | | |
| | Long Live | |
| | DOS!! | |
| | | |
| | | |
| \_____________________/ |
|___________________________|
,---\_____ [] _______/------,
/ /______________\ /|
/___________________________________ / | ___
| | |
| 486DX66 [-------] | | (
| o o o [-------] | / _)_
|__________________________________ |/ / /
/-------------------------------------/| ( )/
/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ /
/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ /
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
... My other vehicle is a Galaxy Class Starship ...
___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30
--- SBBSecho 3.14-Win32
* Origin: Diamond Mine Online BBS - bbs.dmine.net:24 (1:275/89)
DJ> Sweet. If it ain't broke . . .
DJ>
DJ> I was one of those people in the 90's that *wanted* to use OS/2 but
DJ> could not afford the hardware to run it properly. So, instead I bought
DJ> and installed Windows 3.1.
DJ>
DJ> Today I have OS/2 Warp 4 running in VirtualBox on my Linux desktop. I
DJ> also use Windows 10 for work only, which also runs in a virtual machine.
DJ>
DJ> On OS/2 one thing I have yet to learn is how objects are used properly.
DJ> I mean, just trying to make what I would consider a shortcut on the
DJ> desktop to an application, I have not figured out without copying the
DJ> whole application to the desktop. But, I confess I have not put much
Curious, what practical application does os/2 have today other than nostaliga?
can you even get a modern browser for it?
On my UNIX systems (also at work) it is difficult to impossible to get a
modern compliant browser, most are 10 years old now..... so they have little
practical use for the desktop, but of course, as a server...... that's a whole
other matter. Unix is Unix
this os/2 machine is built for one purpose and one only - CNC with CAD. The
resolution sucks. The keyboard and mouse are industrial grade and more of the
kind you'd find on an old teletype or minicomputer. The OS/GUI is very wierd
i'm not used to it) and most of the OS is hidden from view. But it's very
clearly os/2 to any seasoned user.
The Ethernet is AUI (15 pin! and also has a parallell port.... which limits
what I can do with it - to network this i'd need a transciever (can still buy
new) but THEN i'm stuck with NETBIOS/NETBEUI for a protocol and needing
windows XP as a go between...
so.... floppies it is (yes, has floppies)
other than os/2 used on machines (some bank machines , etc) or the absolutely
latest os/2 builds i'd be curious what else you can do...
also can os/2 dual boot with DOS? I could try it on this laptop...
(486/66)
--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
DJ>
DJ> I was one of those people in the 90's that *wanted* to use OS/2 but
DJ> could not afford the hardware to run it properly. So, instead I bought
DJ> and installed Windows 3.1.
DJ>
DJ> Today I have OS/2 Warp 4 running in VirtualBox on my Linux desktop. I
DJ> also use Windows 10 for work only, which also runs in a virtual machine.
DJ>
DJ> On OS/2 one thing I have yet to learn is how objects are used properly.
DJ> I mean, just trying to make what I would consider a shortcut on the
DJ> desktop to an application, I have not figured out without copying the
DJ> whole application to the desktop. But, I confess I have not put much
Curious, what practical application does os/2 have today other than nostaliga?
can you even get a modern browser for it?
On my UNIX systems (also at work) it is difficult to impossible to get a
modern compliant browser, most are 10 years old now..... so they have little
practical use for the desktop, but of course, as a server...... that's a whole
other matter. Unix is Unix
this os/2 machine is built for one purpose and one only - CNC with CAD. The
resolution sucks. The keyboard and mouse are industrial grade and more of the
kind you'd find on an old teletype or minicomputer. The OS/GUI is very wierd
i'm not used to it) and most of the OS is hidden from view. But it's very
clearly os/2 to any seasoned user.
The Ethernet is AUI (15 pin!
and also has a parallell port.... which limits
what I can do with it - to network this i'd need a transciever (can still buy
new) but THEN i'm stuck with NETBIOS/NETBEUI for a protocol and needing
windows XP as a go between...
so.... floppies it is (yes, has floppies)
other than os/2 used on machines (some bank machines , etc) or the absolutely
latest os/2 builds i'd be curious what else you can do...
also can os/2 dual boot with DOS? I could try it on this laptop...
(486/66)
--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
-=> Quoting Stan Hosdar to Daniel Juarez <=-
SH> Curious, what practical application does os/2 have today other than
SH> nostaliga?
For me, pure nostalgia. I have no practical use for it today. It is just
fun to look back on something I admired in the past and wanted but never
purchased and used anyway. I was a DOS/Windows user mostly. Today my
main desktop is Linux on both my laptops and my desktop. I use other
OS's as needed/wanted in virtual machines on top of Linux.
~Elf
,---------------------------,
| /---------------------\ |
| | | |
| | Long Live | |
| | DOS!! | |
| | | |
| | | |
| \_____________________/ |
|___________________________|
,---\_____ [] _______/------,
/ /______________\ /|
/___________________________________ / | ___
| | |
| 486DX66 [-------] | | (
| o o o [-------] | / _)_
|__________________________________ |/ / /
/-------------------------------------/| ( )/
/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ /
/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ /
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
... OS/2 VirusScan - "Windows found: Remove it? (Y/y)"
___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30
--- SBBSecho 3.14-Win32
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SH> Curious, what practical application does os/2 have today other than
SH> nostaliga?
For me, pure nostalgia. I have no practical use for it today. It is just
fun to look back on something I admired in the past and wanted but never
purchased and used anyway. I was a DOS/Windows user mostly. Today my
main desktop is Linux on both my laptops and my desktop. I use other
OS's as needed/wanted in virtual machines on top of Linux.
~Elf
,---------------------------,
| /---------------------\ |
| | | |
| | Long Live | |
| | DOS!! | |
| | | |
| | | |
| \_____________________/ |
|___________________________|
,---\_____ [] _______/------,
/ /______________\ /|
/___________________________________ / | ___
| | |
| 486DX66 [-------] | | (
| o o o [-------] | / _)_
|__________________________________ |/ / /
/-------------------------------------/| ( )/
/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ /
/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ /
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
... OS/2 VirusScan - "Windows found: Remove it? (Y/y)"
___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30
--- SBBSecho 3.14-Win32
* Origin: Diamond Mine Online BBS - bbs.dmine.net:24 (1:275/89)
DJ> SH> Curious, what practical application does os/2 have today other than
DJ>
DJ> SH> nostaliga?
DJ>
aaah.. well.. for me, none... I used os2 only once when I was at college, in
the lab. not much time after, even the few machines that had os2 became
winnt... and so, playing with os2 today, for me, would be just for a nostalgia
of a cool time that will never come back - and use parts of the system I even
didndt' have time to use by then
ok I'll try to intall it here in a VM or something...
[ ]
Krull
... Live every day as though it were your last. One day, you'll be right
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DJ>
DJ> SH> nostaliga?
DJ>
aaah.. well.. for me, none... I used os2 only once when I was at college, in
the lab. not much time after, even the few machines that had os2 became
winnt... and so, playing with os2 today, for me, would be just for a nostalgia
of a cool time that will never come back - and use parts of the system I even
didndt' have time to use by then
ok I'll try to intall it here in a VM or something...
[ ]
Krull
... Live every day as though it were your last. One day, you'll be right
--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/13 (Linux/64)
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