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From: Aaron Thomas (1:275/99)
To: All
Date: Fri, 05.03.21 21:34
Re: Masks
MP> Psaki cannot answer when he might give his first official Congressional
MP> address.

I was a little disappointed when Trump missed opportunities to address the
people. Presidents like Bush, Clinton, the other Bush, they got on TV and
spoke to us when important stuff was happening. Trump was absent a bunch of
times, although I bet the TV stations probably rejected him if he tried.

But then what's Joe's excuse? All he's said to us so far was "I'm gonna unite
this country" and then he signed a slew of partisan executive orders and went
back to bed.

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From: Jeff Thiele (1:387/26)
To: All
Date: Fri, 05.03.21 23:10
Re: Masks
On 05 Mar 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
GD> I looked at the constitution as well, when I saw your message, but it's
GD> fine like I said, it might take six months to one year to clean up after
GD> Joe's mess, and the damage that he has yet to cause, and make no mistake
GD> damage will be caused by this President Biden.

And yet, you got this simple, fundamental thing wrong. How much of your
ideology and worldview are based on such errors?

GD> I have listened to Joe Biden from just a few years ago when he could
GD> actually talk clearly and effectively without the stammering or
GD> stuttering, what is happening now is NOT a stuttering problem.

And yet it is you spreading falsehoods, is it not?

GD> There is no doubt his condition will get worse and his mind will
GD> continue to deteriorate, it's obvious that the media is covering for
GD> him. Soon they will not be able to cover for him and then questions will
GD> start. How long has this been going on? This may trigger a turning point
GD> in real journalism but that is to be seen, but at least the cover-up
GD> into Biden's debilitating health will be blown wide open. It's just a
GD> matter of time. It could be far worse as I have indicated here. I do NOT
GD> in ANY way wish it to be the case, but he could a President to die in
GD> office, in a long long time.

I think Biden has a better grasp on the Constitution than you do.

Jeff.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and
wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself
right.

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From: Gregory Deyss (1:267/150)
To: All
Date: Sat, 06.03.21 00:48
Re: Masks
JT> GD> I have listened to Joe Biden from just a few years ago when he could
JT> GD> actually talk clearly and effectively without the stammering or
JT> GD> stuttering, what is happening now is NOT a stuttering problem.
JT>
JT> And yet it is you spreading falsehoods, is it not?

We shall see, I do not see him returning to that time just a few years ago
where he had no difficulty with stammering and stuttering.

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From: Jeff Thiele (1:387/26)
To: All
Date: Sat, 06.03.21 00:09
Re: Masks
GD> JT> GD> I have listened to Joe Biden from just a few years ago when he c
GD> JT> GD> actually talk clearly and effectively without the stammering or
GD> JT> GD> stuttering, what is happening now is NOT a stuttering problem.
GD> JT>
GD> JT> And yet it is you spreading falsehoods, is it not?
GD>
GD> We shall see, I do not see him returning to that time just a few years
GD> ago where he had no difficulty with stammering and stuttering.

But how is it that you, whom I assume have no difficulties with stammering or
stuttering, has such a tenuous grasp on the framework of our government? It
would have taken but a few seconds for you to read the 22nd amendment before
offering an opinion on its contents, but you did not. Instead, you presented
what you *wanted* it to say as fact. Is that not a sign of mental decline? Is
it mere laziness, or something more?

Jeff.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and
wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself
right.

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From: Dale Shipp (1:261/1466)
To: All
Date: Sat, 06.03.21 02:27
Re: Masks
-=> On 03-04-21 22:46, Gregory Deyss <=-
-=> spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Masks <=-

GD> It is said that Trump did not keep his promises. Such as the XL
GD> Keystone. The pipeline this was started under Trump this was not
GD> stopped or canceled under Trump, but yet there are parrots out there

It should bother you and others that Trump had financial interest in
opening the construction of that pipeline -- a project that had been
rejected previously because of environmental concerns.

GD> a long long time. Joe Biden is the Democratic President canceled the
GD> XL Keystone Pipeline.

That was a good move.

GD> rots. They want to talk
GD> about global warming, with the recent blast of freezing
GD> temperatures across the
GD> U.S. global warming does not seem to be the problem. Texas was
GD> crippled w/ power outages, and there are still people with out heat and
GD> light within Texas.

It is climate change which has upset the normal weather patterns which
resulted in the polar cold span reaching down as far as it did.

GD> As President Donald Trump astutely pointed out, the Democrats are now
GD> known for abortion (even full term abortion) high taxes, illegal
GD> immigration, and crime.

Abortion done by medical professionals is far better than abortion done
in back alleys with coat hangers by quacks. A woman has the right to
decide how her own body is treated.

Trump is the one who passed a tax benefit for his billionare buddies.

Trump is the one who used inhuman methods to deal with immigrants.

GD> He should have also mentioned socialism because
GD> the Democratic Party is quickly and obviously becoming a party of
GD> Marxists and socialist die-hards.

Only some of the more progressive Democratics go that far. The USA has
had socialistic programs for decades, e.g. Medicare, SSI.

GD> Those issues are all real issues for everyday Americans. Higher taxes
GD> and illegal immigration have ruined communities and are weakening the
GD> core of our country. In working class neighborhoods in blue states,
GD> many working class people still struggle to get by.

And yet the Republicans are blocking an increase in the minimal wage.

GD> It is happening and middle-class Americans are suffering because of
GD> blue-state policies that have disproportionately impacted those
GD> communities. Illegal immigrants drive down the local wages so that
GD> native-born Americans can't earn a living wage; they have flooded the
GD> market for unskilled labor and have thus lowered wages for
GD> hard-working, non-college-educated Americans.

The undocumented are exploited to work for low wages, because they have
no choice. Make them documented and then they will have a choice to
only take better paying jobs.

DS> I'm fairly certain that more than 250 have been arrested, and more are
DS> under active investigation.

GD> You're certainly is not enough because it is not based upon logic or
GD> facts.

Your sentence does not make sense. My statement is based on public
reporting by the FBI. And that number has risen to 300, with more to
come.

Dale Shipp
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From: Dale Shipp (1:261/1466)
To: All
Date: Sat, 06.03.21 01:38
Re: Masks
-=> On 03-04-21 22:58, Gregory Deyss <=-
-=> spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Masks <=-

DS> Even on the off chance that Trump got elected in 2024, he would be gone
DS> by Jan 20, 2029. He could not be elected in both 2024 and 2028. A
DS> president can only serve two terms.

GD> Wrong..

Not wrong. Right.

GD> Donald Trump certainly could serve 8 years as President because of the
GD> simple fact that Joe Biden is the current President in 2021 and Donald
GD> Trump was Presidential years were not back to back. This is the very

You are making a statement based on fake news published here by Lofaso.
A President can only serve two four year terms, irrelevant if they are
consecutive or not.

Go look of the 22nd Amendment.

Dale Shipp
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From: Gregory Deyss (1:267/150)
To: All
Date: Sat, 06.03.21 10:01
Re: Masks
JT> But how is it that you, whom I assume have no difficulties with
JT> stammering or stuttering?

You and people like you are much more of a problem to the continuation of our
Nation, then me having the idea that Donald Trump could serve 8 years
starting off ONCE AGAIN as President elect in 2024.

It is you, who has sycophant views who I might add, have much bigger issues
because Joe Biden is your President.

Be honest (if that is even possible) you have viewed my previous post as a way
in, your only opportunity in quite a long time to attack. How predictable..

How does it feel to have a President that is incoherent imbecile who has been
caught on tape mumbling, where am I, what am I doing. Gives new names to
officials, because he can not remember their real names. or this classic
"You know the thing" when he botches The Declaration of Independence.
These are all pieces of clear evidence that we have a stooge as President.

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From: Ron Lauzon (1:275/89)
To: All
Date: Sat, 06.03.21 09:20
Re: Masks
-=> Mike Powell wrote to RON LAUZON <=-

MP> He still has yet to give a press conference with a Q&A. He has made
MP> several appearances, but all of them have involved reading from a
MP> teleprompter and not taking many/any questions.

MP> The other day, during a discussion with members of Congress, when he
MP> opened the floor for Q&A, the White House cut the public feed.

MP> Psaki cannot answer when he might give his first official Congressional
MP> address.

MP> I did not see this, but he had one public appearance where "Dr. Jill"
MP> was there to correct some things he said, and answer other things for
MP> him.

It's very clear that Biden is not President.

I'm not talking about the election fraud.

Biden is no different than Charlie McCarthy (or would Mortimer Snerd be a
better
compairson?Wink with someone behind the scenes making his mouth move.


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From: Jeff Thiele (1:387/26)
To: All
Date: Sat, 06.03.21 15:05
Re: Masks
On 06 Mar 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
GD> You and people like you are much more of a problem to the continuation
GD> of our Nation, then me having the idea that Donald Trump could serve 8
GD> years starting off ONCE AGAIN as President elect in 2024.

It is people who have ideologies based on false beliefs that are the greatest
threat to our nation. They may be big false beliefs, or they may be small
ones, and when they are exposed, the ideology they support *should* crumble.
But it does not. So all we can do is continue to point out the falsehoods
they believe, like pulling blocks out of a Jenga tower, until it finally
collapses.

GD> It is you, who has sycophant views who I might add, have much bigger
GD> issues because Joe Biden is your President.

Sycophant views? Like claiming that my candidate of choice fulfilled all of
his promises even in the face of evidence that he didn't?

GD> Be honest (if that is even possible) you have viewed my previous post as
GD> a way in, your only opportunity in quite a long time to attack. How
GD> predictable..

It was not my only opportunity in a long time. You constantly post
falsehoods; the opportunities are many.

GD> How does it feel to have a President that is incoherent imbecile who has
GD> been caught on tape mumbling, where am I, what am I doing. Gives new
GD> names to officials, because he can not remember their real names. or
GD> this classic "You know the thing" when he botches The Declaration of
GD> Independence. These are all pieces of clear evidence that we have a
GD> stooge as President.

You tell me. Remember "Tim Apple," (Tim Cook, Apple CEO)? Or when Trump gave
a speech in Mosinee, WI, and couldn't remember the name of where he was? Or
when he phoned the widow of a fallen US soldier but couldn't remember the
soldier's name (SGT La David Johnson) and kept calling him "your guy?" Or
when he called Customs and Border Protection the "CBC?" Or when he called
Paradise, CA, "Pleasure?" Or "Marillyn Lockheed" (Marillyn Hewson, Lockheed
Martin CEO), "Wendy Wasserman Schultz," (Debbie Wasserman Schultz), "Ron
Ryan" (Paul Ryan), "Steve" (Kevin McCarthy), "Matt Blum" (Rod Blum), "Muke
Messer" (Luke Messer), "Mike Bolton" (John Bolton), and "Jim Perry" (Rick
Perry)? You tell me how it feels.

Jeff.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and
wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself
right.

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From: Mike Powell (1:2320/105)
To: All
Date: Sat, 06.03.21 14:25
Re: Masks
> We shall see, I do not see him returning to that time just a few years ago
> where he had no difficulty with stammering and stuttering.

I have been around people who stutter. There have been a few over the
years that I have gotten to know pretty well.

Joe does stutter, but he also has something else going on that I have never
heard any other stutters do, regardless of age.


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From: Gregory Deyss (1:267/150)
To: All
Date: Sat, 06.03.21 18:47
Re: Masks
DS> GD> It is said that Trump did not keep his promises. Such as the XL
DS> GD> Keystone. The pipeline this was started under Trump this was not
DS> GD> stopped or canceled under Trump, but yet there are parrots out there
DS>
DS> It should bother you and others that Trump had financial interest in
DS> opening the construction of that pipeline -- a project that had been
DS> rejected previously because of environmental concerns.

You have suggested here that Donald Trump had a financial interest?
Do you mean to suggest that he personally could profit from the project?
Cuz, I do not think he needs the money.
When was the last time you put fuel into your vehicle?
You like spending more for a gallon of fuel NOW under Biden?
You do not realize that gas was not *this* high under Trump?
The way things are going the price for gallon of 87 octane will be $3.00 or
higher and that will before the summer time.

What do you mean due to environmental concerns, this was not being done by the
local 4H chapter, they were Union trained professionals who knew very well
what they were doing, btw these individuals are still waiting for better
green jobs as promised by the Biden administration.

DS> It is climate change which has upset the normal weather patterns which
DS> resulted in the polar cold span reaching down as far as it did.
The climate change debate has been raging on for many decades, I do not think
you and I will solve this here, I can tell you that the Earth has been
heating and cooling for many hundreds of thousands of years, that's what the
science says. According to Al Gore we should all be vaporized by now.

DS> GD> As President Donald Trump astutely pointed out, the Democrats are now
DS> GD> known for abortion (even full term abortion) high taxes, illegal
DS> GD> immigration, and crime.
DS>
DS> Abortion done by medical professionals is far better than abortion done
DS> in back alleys with coat hangers by quacks. A woman has the right to
DS> decide how her own body is treated.
Up to what point? Does that also include infanticide which is the murder of a
infant who is born to term, that has also has been the choice of some women
too. I would suggest that most of those women who have chosen this route should
be sterilized so that they never again could become pregnant. Even in the
situation of a violent crime; such as rape, why would someone murder a full
term baby, if they do not want the child one could look into adoption.

DS> Trump is the one who passed a tax benefit for his billionare buddies.
He lowered the amount of tax which of which results in lifting us all who are
employed, that is the other side, that you failed to mention.

DS> Trump is the one who used inhuman methods to deal with immigrants.
Tell me what you think you know about this? I'll read and entertain what you
have to say, but be prepared I will not tell you the Democratic version that
is best seen while wearing rose colored glasses. It will be truth that you
can verify by using the mighty Internet, with the true facts on the matter.
Whatever they may be. I can not honestly believe that there is remotely any
truth to that which you have said. Let's find out together.

DS> GD> He should have also mentioned socialism because
DS> GD> the Democratic Party is quickly and obviously becoming a party of
DS> GD> Marxists and socialist die-hards.
DS>
DS> Only some of the more progressive Democratics go that far. The USA has
DS> had socialistic programs for decades, e.g. Medicare, SSI.
You Betcha, that some are Marxists and socialist Democratic die-hards.
They are also on the rise as well.
Odd that Conservatives don't have any problem like this.

Yes, even car insurance is socialistic idea of which is NOT remotely fair.


DS> GD> Those issues are all real issues for everyday Americans. Higher taxes
DS> GD> and illegal immigration have ruined communities and are weakening the
DS> GD> core of our country. In working class neighborhoods in blue states,
DS> GD> many working class people still struggle to get by.
DS>
DS> And yet the Republicans are blocking an increase in the minimal wage.

Perhaps the Federal Government could subsidize labor like they do with Meat
and Dairy associations / industry, otherwise companies would need to insanely
raise the price, then we would have massive problem of the 1970's revisited
wouldn't we?

DS> GD> You're certainly is not enough because it is not based upon logic or
DS> GD> facts.

DS> Your sentence does not make sense. My statement is based on public
DS> reporting by the FBI. And that number has risen to 300, with more to
DS> come.

My sentence makes perfect sense, it means that I am skeptical, it wouldn't be
the first time that someone on the left tried to prove their narrative by
taking out of context what was originally indicated, You have said so
yourself when you used the word "Based"

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From: Jeff Thiele (1:387/26)
To: All
Date: Sat, 06.03.21 18:18
Re: Masks
On 06 Mar 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
GD> What do you mean due to environmental concerns, this was not being done
GD> by the local 4H chapter, they were Union trained professionals who knew
GD> very well what they were doing, btw these individuals are still waiting
GD> for better green jobs as promised by the Biden administration.

Presumably the existing Keystone XL pipeline in North Dakota was also built
by union-trained individuals, the same pipeline that released a
400,000-gallon spill in 2019.

GD> The climate change debate has been raging on for many decades, I do not
GD> think you and I will solve this here, I can tell you that the Earth has
GD> been heating and cooling for many hundreds of thousands of years, that's
GD> what the science says. According to Al Gore we should all be vaporized
GD> by now.

Yes, it has been heating and cooling for billions of years, actually. And
yet, it's the rate of heating that is the problem. Your car engine has
probably been heating and cooling for years, too, but if you turn it on and
the temperature gauge starts to go off the top, that's not really something
you should just ignore.

GD> Up to what point? Does that also include infanticide which is the murder
GD> of a infant who is born to term, that has also has been the choice of
GD> some women too. I would suggest that most of those women who have chosen
GD> this route should be sterilized so that they never again could become
GD> pregnant. Even in the situation of a violent crime; such as rape, why
GD> would someone murder a full term baby, if they do not want the child one
GD> could look into adoption.

No, abortion does not include infanticide. Full-term babies are not being
killed under the guise of abortion. Spreading the idea that they are is a
scare tactic intended to demonize political adversaries. Christians used to
spread the idea that Jews were kidnapping Christian babies for their blood.
Of course that was never the case, but it worked to turn Christians against
Jews.

GD> DS> Trump is the one who passed a tax benefit for his billionare buddies.
GD> He lowered the amount of tax which of which results in lifting us all
GD> who are employed, that is the other side, that you failed to mention.

He lowered tax rates for lots of people, but not all to the same degree. The
wealthy made out like bandits because of his tax cuts. And what you fail to
mention is what those tax cuts did to the federal deficit (which, by the way,
Trump promised to eeradicate).

GD> DS> Trump is the one who used inhuman methods to deal with immigrants.
GD> Tell me what you think you know about this? I'll read and entertain what
GD> you have to say, but be prepared I will not tell you the Democratic
GD> version that is best seen while wearing rose colored glasses. It will be
GD> truth that you can verify by using the mighty Internet, with the true
GD> facts on the matter. Whatever they may be. I can not honestly believe
GD> that there is remotely any truth to that which you have said. Let's find
GD> out together.

He separated children from their families. That is inhumane.

GD> DS> Only some of the more progressive Democratics go that far. The USA h
GD> DS> had socialistic programs for decades, e.g. Medicare, SSI.
GD> You Betcha, that some are Marxists and socialist Democratic die-hards.
GD> They are also on the rise as well.
GD> Odd that Conservatives don't have any problem like this.

I don't think you fully understand what either Marxism or socialism are. And
conservatives do have their own problems with far-right ideologies
such as authoritarianism and fascism, which indeed were on the rise under
Trump.

GD> Yes, even car insurance is socialistic idea of which is NOT remotely
GD> fair.

And why is that? You don't have to buy car insurance; you can be self-insured
if you have set aside the same amount of money that the law requires
insurance companies to be able to pay out for an incident.

GD> Perhaps the Federal Government could subsidize labor like they do with
GD> Meat and Dairy associations / industry, otherwise companies would need
GD> to insanely raise the price, then we would have massive problem of the
GD> 1970's revisited wouldn't we?

The federal government subsidizes labor a lot more than you think. Employees
who do not make enough wages to survive are often eligible for public
assistance. So what really happens here is that the government subsidizes the
wages of these employees so that their employers can make profits. It's not
presented as such, but that's exactly what's going on.

GD> My sentence makes perfect sense, it means that I am skeptical, it
GD> wouldn't be the first time that someone on the left tried to prove their
GD> narrative by taking out of context what was originally indicated, You
GD> have said so yourself when you used the word "Based"

That's not what 'based' means. Maybe you were thinking of the word 'biased?'

Jeff.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and
wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself
right.

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From: Dale Shipp (1:261/1466)
To: All
Date: Sun, 07.03.21 02:37
Re: Masks
-=> On 03-06-21 17:47, Gregory Deyss <=-
-=> spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Masks <=-

GD> What do you mean due to environmental concerns, this was not being
GD> done by the local 4H chapter, they were Union trained professionals who

The environmental concerns were not totally about the construction, but
from what I read today seem to be more focused on what happens when
there is a break leading to a spill -- and it is something that needed
to be considered.

GD> knew very well what they were doing, btw these individuals are still
GD> waiting for better green jobs as promised by the Biden administration.

That is a priority, but other things needed to be done more urgently --
e.g. the COVID relief bill that just passed the Senate.

DS> It is climate change which has upset the normal weather patterns which
DS> resulted in the polar cold span reaching down as far as it did.

GD> Yes, even car insurance is socialistic idea of which is NOT remotely
GD> fair.

That statement is a bridge too far.

GD> You're certainly is not enough because it is not based upon logic or
GD> facts.

DS> Your sentence does not make sense. My statement is based on public
DS> reporting by the FBI. And that number has risen to 300, with more to
DS> come.

GD> My sentence makes perfect sense, it means that I am skeptical, it
GD> wouldn't be the first time that someone on the left tried to prove
GD> their narrative by taking out of context what was originally indicated,
GD> You have said so yourself when you used the word "Based"

If you think it makes sense, then please explain. It is not even good
English. I say again, my statement of the number of people who have
been indited by the FBI is a fact as published by the FBI.

Dale Shipp
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From: Gregory Deyss (1:267/150)
To: All
Date: Sun, 07.03.21 10:16
Re: Masks
JT> Presumably the existing Keystone XL pipeline in North Dakota was also
JT> built by union-trained individuals, the same pipeline that released a
JT> 400,000-gallon spill in 2019.

If that is true then it has to be repaired, and monitored. As you build new
pipe lines you would ensure that it is safe and you would plan for every
contingency that could go wrong. Even electronic systems could be used to
monitor its condition.
What is the alternative?

JT> Yes, it has been heating and cooling for billions of years, actually. And
JT> yet, it's the rate of heating that is the problem. Your car engine has
JT> probably been heating and cooling for years, too, but if you turn it on
JT> and the temperature gauge starts to go off the top, that's not really
JT> something you should just ignore.

Are you aware of what that rate is of the heating of the earth across
time actually is? As it has been said the Earth has been heating and
cooling

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_climate_change

JT> No, abortion does not include infanticide. Full-term babies are not being
JT> killed under the guise of abortion. Spreading the idea that they are is a
JT> scare tactic intended to demonize political adversaries. Christians used
JT> to spread the idea that Jews were kidnapping Christian babies for their
JT> blood. Of course that was never the case, but it worked to turn
JT> Christians against Jews.

Scare tactic huh,
https://tinyurl.com/2pkpddhn

As far as religion goes it is another hot topic that also has tones of
Conservatism as well as Liberalism.
What is clear is that everyone, here in the U.S. has the freedom to choice.

JT> GD> Trump is the one who passed a tax benefit for his billionare bud
JT> GD> He lowered the amount of tax which of which results in lifting us all
JT> GD> who are employed, that is the other side, that you failed to mention.

JT> He lowered tax rates for lots of people.

Here is a lesson of what Trump did.
https://gop-waysandmeans.house.gov/trump-tax-cuts-results-full-review/

JT> GD> DS> Trump is the one who used inhuman methods to deal with immigrant
JT> GD> Tell me what you think you know about this? I'll read and entertain w
JT> GD> you have to say, but be prepared I will not tell you the Democratic
JT> GD> version that is best seen while wearing rose colored glasses. It will
JT> GD> truth that you can verify by using the mighty Internet, with the true
JT> GD> facts on the matter. Whatever they may be. I can not honestly believe
JT> GD> that there is remotely any truth to that which you have said. Let's f
JT> GD> out together.
JT>
JT> He separated children from their families. That is inhumane.

It was very inhumane for those parents to send them (children) on this journey
alone, meaning of course in many instances that there no parents to be found.
Trump did what the law required him to do.

Additionally those the Parents who were with their children still had the say
to keep the family together, (court does not allow children within the
court) they could always turn around with the family still intact and walk in
the other direction from which they came. No one forced them here.

JT> I don't think you fully understand what either Marxism or socialism are.

I understand that Marxism as well as Socialism should be squashed when or
where ever it appears in the U.S. With whatever force is necessary.

JT> The federal government subsidizes labor a lot more than you think.
JT> Employees who do not make enough wages to survive are often eligible for
JT> public assistance.

Those income guidelines are a joke, they only for the desperate.
Many millions of Mid-income do not qualify for those subsidizes and welfare
programs, some would rather rather continue to struggle then be tied to such
things.

JT> That's not what 'based' means. Maybe you were thinking of the word
JT> 'biased?'
No I did not mean to indicate biased, I meant what I said Based.
Why because that is what Dale said the information he was reading was BASED
on, which could be that it is only part of the story and not the total truth.

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From: Mike Powell (1:2320/105)
To: All
Date: Sun, 07.03.21 11:07
Re: Masks
DS> Abortion done by medical professionals is far better than abortion done
DS> in back alleys with coat hangers by quacks. A woman has the right to
DS> decide how her own body is treated.

I cannot disagree with this.


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From: Gregory Deyss (1:267/150)
To: All
Date: Sun, 07.03.21 12:27
Re: Masks
DS> The environmental concerns were not totally about the construction, but
DS> from what I read today seem to be more focused on what happens when
DS> there is a break leading to a spill -- and it is something that needed
DS> to be considered.

They need to be constructed and engineered in such a way where there they could
be monitored by electronic detection devices so that a issue or a problem
could be handled if it did occur or this technology could stop an issue from
becoming from happening in the first place.

DS> GD> knew very well what they were doing, btw these individuals are still
DS> GD> waiting for better green jobs as promised by the Biden administration
DS>
DS> That is a priority, but other things needed to be done more urgently --
DS> e.g. the COVID relief bill that just passed the Senate.

Getting a covid relief bill is fine and dandy, why is there so much waste
within these, it's reckless as well ridiculous that the Democrats want to bleed
for everyone as well as programs for initiatives that don't have a thing to do
with covid relief.

DS> DS> It is climate change which has upset the normal weather patterns which
DS> DS> resulted in the polar cold span reaching down as far as it did.
DS> GD> Yes, even car insurance is socialistic idea of which is NOT remotely
DS> GD> fair.

DS> That statement is a bridge too far.

No it's not and I will tell you why.
If car insurance was based on the individual and the good practices that are
seen by responsible drivers, then it wouldn't be so dam high. But it's not
based on these things, it's based on credit, which is a stupid analogy that is
applied w/ the use of emotion that states if you have bad credit then it also
must mean that your also a bad driver.

Then there actions of others (neighbors or people within your area)
These fat cats inside the plush offices of insurance companies look upon a map
and then create a judgment as they take into account the violations of others,
this is another means a stupid analogy that is also based on nothing more than
a emotion, the term is called "risk" but it is brought about by another word,
"fear" Just because someone a-hole is being reckless moron when driving and
happens to get a violation, how is what they have chosen to do, in any way
attributed to me and the rate that I get.

Does either of these examples appear fair to you?

How do you think the office became so plush in the first place.
Through the use of greed of course.

What I have stated DOES happen because this is what the insurance companies
use a defense, when I call to question them on the matter. Then they also end
with the same tired and worn out statement.
New York State law allows us to calculate and use these factors when a rate is
produced.

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From: Jeff Thiele (1:387/26)
To: All
Date: Sun, 07.03.21 14:18
Re: Masks
On 07 Mar 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
GD> JT> Presumably the existing Keystone XL pipeline in North Dakota was also
GD> JT> built by union-trained individuals, the same pipeline that released a
GD> JT> 400,000-gallon spill in 2019.
GD>
GD> If that is true then it has to be repaired, and monitored. As you build
GD> new pipe lines you would ensure that it is safe and you would plan for
GD> every contingency that could go wrong. Even electronic systems could be
GD> used to monitor its condition.

It is absolutely true. Were the new sections of pipeline designed with the
safeguards that you mention? If not, then the pipeline is definitely an
environmental hazard.

GD> Are you aware of what that rate is of the heating of the earth across
GD> time actually is? As it has been said the Earth has been heating and
GD> cooling

Yes. That information is widely available from sources like NOAA.

GD> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_climate_change

The causes, effects, and degree of climate change are not political. How we
should address those things is. Except that some people seem to think that if
they can politicize the cause, they can avoid dealing with the effects.
Reality does not work that way.

GD> JT> No, abortion does not include infanticide. Full-term babies are not be
GD> JT> killed under the guise of abortion. Spreading the idea that they are i
GD> JT> scare tactic intended to demonize political adversaries. Christians us
GD> JT> to spread the idea that Jews were kidnapping Christian babies for thei
GD> JT> blood. Of course that was never the case, but it worked to turn
GD> JT> Christians against Jews.
GD> Scare tactic huh,
GD> https://tinyurl.com/2pkpddhn

You have made a fencepost error. The headline states that the bill allows
abortions "up to birth," but what does that mean? Is it inclusive or
exclusive of birth itself? Reading the article, there are numerous mentions
of "unborn babies" but no mention of born ones, which indicates that it is
exclusive of birth. The article is clearly biased, and so I suspect that the
headline was purposefully misleading. The article also downplays the
requirement for abortions after 24 weeks to be for health reasons only.

GD> As far as religion goes it is another hot topic that also has tones of
GD> Conservatism as well as Liberalism.
GD> What is clear is that everyone, here in the U.S. has the freedom to
GD> choice.

That was just an example. It is not only the religious who demonize people
they don't like.

GD> Here is a lesson of what Trump did.
GD> https://gop-waysandmeans.house.gov/trump-tax-cuts-results-full-review/

That's the picture that the GOP paints for you, cherry-picking only the
positive results of the legislation. Step out of your bubble and look at the
negative effects that they left out. For example, the deficit and debt
increased substantially, meaning that the tax cuts did not pay for themselves
as its supporters said it would. Also, the economy initially expanded, but
within two years was shrinking at a rate of 3.5%. Also, although most
Americans saw decreased taxes, upper-income brackets were provided the
greatest cuts by far.

GD> JT> He separated children from their families. That is inhumane.
GD>
GD> It was very inhumane for those parents to send them (children) on this
GD> journey alone, meaning of course in many instances that there no parents
GD> to be found. Trump did what the law required him to do.

The law in no way required Trump to separate children from their families. If
parents sent children on the journey alone, then those children were already
separated when they got here. These are called "unaccompanied minors" and are
not the ones we're talking about. You can't justify Trump's separation of
children from their families by comparing it to parents who were desperate
enough to send their children away unaccompanied, because these are two
different groups of people. The parents whose children Trump separated from
them after their arrival are by definition not the parents who sent their
children alone.

GD> Additionally those the Parents who were with their children still had
GD> the say to keep the family together, (court does not allow children
GD> within the court) they could always turn around with the family still
GD> intact and walk in the other direction from which they came. No one
GD> forced them here.

As did Trump, and he chose the inhumane response. No one forced them here;
circumstances did.

GD> JT> I don't think you fully understand what either Marxism or socialism a
GD>
GD> I understand that Marxism as well as Socialism should be squashed when or
GD> where ever it appears in the U.S. With whatever force is necessary.

This is more demonization. Anything conservatives don't like gets branded as
"socialism" as a scare tactic. I suggest you read up on what socialism
actually is, and then you'll be able to see through the lies you're being
told.

GD> JT> The federal government subsidizes labor a lot more than you think.
GD> JT> Employees who do not make enough wages to survive are often eligible
GD> JT> public assistance.
GD>
GD> Those income guidelines are a joke, they only for the desperate.
GD> Many millions of Mid-income do not qualify for those subsidizes and
GD> welfare programs, some would rather rather continue to struggle then be
GD> tied to such things.

You are correct, they are only intended for the desperate. That being the
case, how are people who work 40 hours a week qualifying for them, whether
they take advantage of them or not? If the income guidelines are a joke, what
does that say about the wages of the working poor who qualify for them?

GD> JT> That's not what 'based' means. Maybe you were thinking of the word
GD> JT> 'biased?'
GD> No I did not mean to indicate biased, I meant what I said Based.
GD> Why because that is what Dale said the information he was reading was
GD> BASED on, which could be that it is only part of the story and not the
GD> total truth.

It could be, but that's quite an accusation with no evidence to support it.

Jeff.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and
wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself
right.

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From: Gregory Deyss (1:267/150)
To: All
Date: Sun, 07.03.21 22:11
Re: Masks
JT> On 07 Mar 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
JT> GD> JT> Presumably the existing Keystone XL pipeline in North Dakota was
JT> GD> JT> built by union-trained individuals, the same pipeline that relea
JT> GD> JT> 400,000-gallon spill in 2019.
JT> GD>
JT> GD> If that is true then it has to be repaired, and monitored. As you bui
JT> GD> new pipe lines you would ensure that it is safe and you would plan fo
JT> GD> every contingency that could go wrong. Even electronic systems could
JT> GD> used to monitor its condition.
JT>
JT> It is absolutely true. Were the new sections of pipeline designed with
JT> the safeguards that you mention? If not, then the pipeline is definitely
JT> an environmental hazard.

Then better systems need to be designed and tested before they get deployed so
that this issue happens less and less and then not at all.

JT> The causes, effects, and degree of climate change are not political. How
JT> we should address those things is. Except that some people seem to think
JT> that if they can politicize the cause, they can avoid dealing with the
JT> effects. Reality does not work that way.

Your very presence in here talking to me proves that it is very political,
Instead of spring boarding ways out of this mess and or collaborating a better
way forward, you seem to be ridiculing what has not worked, and attacking me in
the process. Does that make you smart? yeah,I didn't think so, either.

JT> GD> JT> No, abortion does not include infanticide. Full-term babies are n
JT> GD> JT> killed under the guise of abortion. Spreading the idea that they
JT> GD> JT> scare tactic intended to demonize political adversaries. Christia
JT> GD> JT> to spread the idea that Jews were kidnapping Christian babies for
JT> GD> JT> blood. Of course that was never the case, but it worked to turn
JT> GD> JT> Christians against Jews.
JT> GD> Scare tactic huh,
JT> GD> https://tinyurl.com/2pkpddhn
JT>
JT> You have made a fencepost error. The headline states that the bill allows
JT> abortions "up to birth," but what does that mean?

No Error fencepost or otherwise.
What does not mean? it means what it says, so much so that there are plenty of
states and who can't muster the courage to ban infanticide.

At what time frame within a pregnancy is abortion not murder?
I'll tell you something else Jeff, while were talking about this,
The American Tax Payer should not be funding Planned Parenthood either, but
they do, and we should also stand firm not to have the American Tax payer help
pay for in part up to in full abortions outside of the United States,
whatsoever.

JT> here; circumstances did.

I can only imagine what those circumstances were, We all know what they seek,
a better life in the U.S.A. Then use the door instead of climbing over the
wall then no families would ever be separated, children wouldn't of been
photographed as seen in the Obama era, and there wouldn't be misinformed
liberal souls who tried to blame "Children in Cages" on Trump. and they would
of gotten away with it, if it wasn't for the date stamp indicating the year.
opps. The unpleasantness of immigration could all be waved way with the
motion of the hand if they had the common sense come to the U.S. the right
way. These are the consequences that they have put themselves into.

I want things too, a new home, the ability to go out and purchase anything I
want, but these circumstances do not force me to break the law.
This is what these people and people like you don't realize this a Sovereign
Nation with the H.Q. located in Washington D.C.

JT> I don't think you ully understand what either Marxism or sociali

JT> GD> I understand that Marxism as well as Socialism should be squashed when
JT> GD> where ever it appears in the U.S. With whatever force is necessary.

JT> This is more demonization. Anything conservatives don't like gets
JT> branded as "socialism" as a scare tactic. I suggest you read up on what
JT> socialism actually is, and then you'll be able to see through the lies
JT> you're being told.

History has shown it's a disaster everywhere it has been tried.
https://tinyurl.com/3c64yksr
https://tinyurl.com/np5hbvmn
https://tinyurl.com/vn4p24tc
https://tinyurl.com/2tpvmatn

Socialism Always Fails!

JT> GD> Those income guidelines are a joke, they only for the desperate.
JT> GD> Many millions of Mid-income do not qualify for those subsidizes and
JT> GD> welfare programs, some would rather rather continue to struggle then
JT> GD> tied to such things.
JT>
JT> You are correct, they are only intended for the desperate. That being the
JT> case, how are people who work 40 hours a week qualifying for them,
JT> whether they take advantage of them or not? If the income guidelines are
JT> a joke, what does that say about the wages of the working poor who
JT> qualify for them?

How are people working 40 hours a week and still qualifying for them?
I would find it unlikely that they would qualify, and the ones that do are
not making enough hourly wage, and of course this is the segue [if this was
HTML there would be blinking arrows, suggesting --> this way please. -->]
because this is the conversation that you intended for me to enter, is it not?

Your notion that wages are to low, and somehow it's the fault of Government or
someone else, but never the person who is downtrodden or in poverty.

The simple truth is: unskilled does not require specialized training verses
skilled labor which does require specialized training or a education that would
pay more of a hourly wage.

Before you suggest that education is out of reach due to the extreme co$t or
that such idea is way too much to even remotely consider, due to being poor.

Consider this: there are ways to provide a positive segue that offers a better
tomorrow. Local counties in just about state provide a means of learning,
additionally there are many staffing services that provide learning of trade
or even a skill that could be obtained that would be enable a higher hourly
income.

Those who choose not to better selves by using these means deserve to be poor,
because there are always those who do play the blame game because it is easier
not to lift a finger, then it is seeking a solution to the problem.

JT> GD> JT> That's not what 'based' means. Maybe you were thinking of the wor
JT> GD> JT> 'biased?'

JT> GD> No I did not mean to indicate biased, I meant what I said Based.
JT> GD> Why because that is what Dale said the information he was reading was
JT> GD> BASED on which could be that it is only part of the story and not the
JT> GD> total truth.

JT> It could be, but that's quite an accusation with no evidence to support
JT> it.

That is a two way street and therefore works both ways.

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From: Jeff Thiele (1:387/26)
To: All
Date: Sun, 07.03.21 22:55
Re: Masks
On 07 Mar 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
GD> Then better systems need to be designed and tested before they get
GD> deployed so that this issue happens less and less and then not at all.

So then you admit that Trump's goal to complete the deployment, absent such
design and testing considerations, would have been a threat to the
environment? But these considerations were not part of Trump's plan, were,
they?

GD> Your very presence in here talking to me proves that it is very
GD> political, Instead of spring boarding ways out of this mess and or
GD> collaborating a better way forward, you seem to be ridiculing what has
GD> not worked, and attacking me in the process. Does that make you smart?
GD> yeah,I didn't think so, either.

Once one side declares it political, it has a political component. I am only
ridiculing what has not worked in as far as we knew from the start that it
would not work. When plans based on knowingly false information fail, it is
certainly cause for eye-rolling. Disproving your talking points does not mean
that I'm attacking you; why would you think that it does? Are you playing the
victim card?

GD> No Error fencepost or otherwise.
GD> What does not mean? it means what it says, so much so that there are
GD> plenty of states and who can't muster the courage to ban infanticide.

The Hyde Amendment prohibits the use of taxpayer funds for abortion, which
Planned Parenthood abides by. Planned Parenthood provides many other
family-planning services besides abortion, services for which taxpayer
funding is authorized. Funding for abortion is provided by private donors,
such as myself.

That said, you did indeed make a fencepost error in claiming that abortion
laws enable the execution of post-birth infants. They most certainly do not.
The article you cited does not in any way back your assertion. I suggest you
read the article and not just the headline.

GD> I can only imagine what those circumstances were, We all know what they
GD> seek, a better life in the U.S.A. Then use the door instead of climbing
GD> over the wall then no families would ever be separated, children
GD> wouldn't of been photographed as seen in the Obama era, and there
GD> wouldn't be misinformed liberal souls who tried to blame "Children in
GD> Cages" on Trump. and they would of gotten away with it, if it wasn't for
GD> the date stamp indicating the year. opps. The unpleasantness of
GD> immigration could all be waved way with the motion of the hand if they
GD> had the common sense come to the U.S. the right way. These are the
GD> consequences that they have put themselves into.

'Children in cages' and 'children separated from their parents' are two
separate issues. Trump committed both. Obama was faced with an unprecedented
influx of unaccompanied minors at the southern border. His solution may have
been inadequate, but keep in mind that Trump not only continued that
solution, but added on top of it separating children from their parents in
cases where the children were not unaccompanied, and putting *those* children
in cages. That was entirely unnecessary.

GD> I want things too, a new home, the ability to go out and purchase
GD> anything I want, but these circumstances do not force me to break the
GD> law. This is what these people and people like you don't realize this a
GD> Sovereign Nation with the H.Q. located in Washington D.C.

The things you describe are First World Problems and don't even begin to
approach the hardships endured by the families in question. It is
preposterous that you would even make such a comparison.

GD> History has shown it's a disaster everywhere it has been tried.
GD> https://tinyurl.com/3c64yksr
GD> https://tinyurl.com/np5hbvmn
GD> https://tinyurl.com/vn4p24tc
GD> https://tinyurl.com/2tpvmatn
GD>
GD> Socialism Always Fails!

Here's the thing, though: No, it doesn't. It depends on your definition of
socialism, which I contend is nonsense.

For example, progressives would like universal healthcare in the US.
Conservatives claim that this is socialism, and socialism has never worked
anywhere. Progressives point to Norway and Canada as examples of where
universal healthcare has worked. Conservatives claim that Canada and Norway
aren't "true socialist" countries. Do you see the problem here? If Norway
have successful universal healthcare but aren't "true socialist" countries,
then universal healthcare must not be "true socialism," right? And yet,
conservatives claim that it is, contradicting their own argument.

In reality, socialism involves the idea that the means of production,
distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a
whole. Very few, if any, Democrat suggestions have come near to this
definition.

GD> How are people working 40 hours a week and still qualifying for them?
GD> I would find it unlikely that they would qualify, and the ones that do
GD> are not making enough hourly wage, and of course this is the segue [if
GD> this was HTML there would be blinking arrows, suggesting --> this way
GD> please. -->] because this is the conversation that you intended for me
GD> to enter, is it not?

And yet, they are. That is the disconnect between a minimum wage that hasn't
changed in over a decade. Additionally, certain jobs which depend on tips do
not even qualify for the minimum wage. You can comment on this conversation
as you please; it's my recollection that you were the one who introduced
subsidized wages into the conversation.

GD> Your notion that wages are to low, and somehow it's the fault of
GD> Government or someone else, but never the person who is downtrodden or
GD> in poverty.

Correct. The employer/employee relationship is not equal if one side is
depending on it for their very survival.

GD> The simple truth is: unskilled does not require specialized training
GD> verses skilled labor which does require specialized training or a
GD> education that would pay more of a hourly wage.

Suppose, just for the moment, that everyone was able to get the requisite
education for skilled labor. Would the need for unskilled labor magically
disappear? Would the wages for unskilled labor suddenly match those for
skilled labor? No, of course not, on both counts.

The error in this line of thinking is that you are assuming that one person
could educate themselves to a point at which they become skilled labor, but
even if they do, there are plenty of people behind them to take up the slack.
What you propose as a solution for an individual is not a viable, systemic
solution for society as a whole.

GD> That is a two way street and therefore works both ways.

Upon what do you base this hypothesis?

Jeff.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and
wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself
right.

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From: Gregory Deyss (1:267/150)
To: All
Date: Mon, 08.03.21 09:05
Re: Masks
JT> On 07 Mar 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
JT> GD> Then better systems need to be designed and tested before they get
JT> GD> deployed so that this issue happens less and less and then not at all
JT>
JT> So then you admit that Trump's goal to complete the deployment, absent
JT> such design and testing considerations, would have been a threat to the
JT> environment? But these considerations were not part of Trump's plan,
JT> were, they?

Of course that's not what I am saying, No one intends to fail, but if failure
happens then you design and you innovate the pipeline to ensure success.
Maybe you and Joe Biden think alike and just give up, it would be better to be
persistent to find a solution that works.
Still not hearing any alternatives because the left never has any answers.

Look at Thomas Edison, can you imagine if had a quitting attitude, we
would all still be in the dark , when the sun went down. The man tried
1000 times to invent the light bulb, he got it right on the 1001 try.

More to the rest of your message, but first a eight hour block of work.

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