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> MP> To me, even if the documents are not "as sensitive" and poor Joe didn't
> MP> "do it on purpose," it shows that Biden could be just as irresponsible
> MP> as Trump, and that it "could possibly happen" to several others besides
> MP> Trump.
> What it's actually highlighting is the two-tired system of justice that we
> currently have.
That is true. The non-politician government employee who goofs this bad is
probably facing a large fine and jail time. Politicians, not so much.
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> MP> "do it on purpose," it shows that Biden could be just as irresponsible
> MP> as Trump, and that it "could possibly happen" to several others besides
> MP> Trump.
> What it's actually highlighting is the two-tired system of justice that we
> currently have.
That is true. The non-politician government employee who goofs this bad is
probably facing a large fine and jail time. Politicians, not so much.
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> Your statement makes the assumption that the person who stored the boxes
> knew that they contained classified documents. It is quite possible
> that they did not know that.
> Why is it dumb to store boxes of personal documents in a locked garage?
If they didn't know the documents were classified, then someone goofed.
That would indicate that Joe took them home, lost track of them, and then
they later got boxed up with other "personal documents." I work for the
government, that is a no-no.
For example, storing data that contain Federal Tax Information with data
that does not makes all of the data FTI.
As for why it is dumb... garages are usually easier to obtain access to
than the rest of the house, which puts even personal,
non-government-senstive documents at risk. I would only store something in
a garage if I knew what it was, and knew it didn't contain anything that
could lead to my identity being stolen.
> MP> If "someone else" thought putting them there was a good idea, I would
> MP> question whether that "someone else" was even a government employee.
> Why? Again, you have made assumptions about knowledge of the fact that
> they included classified documents. You may well be right that they
> were not a government employee, but rather an employee of the think tank
> where Biden was working. Since Biden was not a government employee at
> the time, it is implausible that he would task one to perform such
> storage duties.
Since we are talking about classified, *government* documents, Joe (or his
team) should not have been tasking the filing/storage of classified,
*government* documents to someone who was not aware and/or was not properly
trained in how to handle them.
Irresponsible Joe probably told someone to "put these boxes in the garage."
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> knew that they contained classified documents. It is quite possible
> that they did not know that.
> Why is it dumb to store boxes of personal documents in a locked garage?
If they didn't know the documents were classified, then someone goofed.
That would indicate that Joe took them home, lost track of them, and then
they later got boxed up with other "personal documents." I work for the
government, that is a no-no.
For example, storing data that contain Federal Tax Information with data
that does not makes all of the data FTI.
As for why it is dumb... garages are usually easier to obtain access to
than the rest of the house, which puts even personal,
non-government-senstive documents at risk. I would only store something in
a garage if I knew what it was, and knew it didn't contain anything that
could lead to my identity being stolen.
> MP> If "someone else" thought putting them there was a good idea, I would
> MP> question whether that "someone else" was even a government employee.
> Why? Again, you have made assumptions about knowledge of the fact that
> they included classified documents. You may well be right that they
> were not a government employee, but rather an employee of the think tank
> where Biden was working. Since Biden was not a government employee at
> the time, it is implausible that he would task one to perform such
> storage duties.
Since we are talking about classified, *government* documents, Joe (or his
team) should not have been tasking the filing/storage of classified,
*government* documents to someone who was not aware and/or was not properly
trained in how to handle them.
Irresponsible Joe probably told someone to "put these boxes in the garage."
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DS> I doubt that either Biden or Trump belived that where the documents were
DS> found was secure. IMO, Trump did not care.
I keep my most important documents in the attic, far away from the street.
Some of the crap I keep in the garage include: a broken drain pipe extension,
a snow shovel, and some returnable bottles and cans (maybe $40 worth.
I don't keep my drivers license, my kids passports, or my US military secrets
in the garage. I feel like they deserve better protection than that.
Trump cared enough to contest the raid, but Biden's attitude seems to be "I
already made a fortune off the American people, and I'm on a downward spiral
anyway, so go ahead."
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DS> found was secure. IMO, Trump did not care.
I keep my most important documents in the attic, far away from the street.
Some of the crap I keep in the garage include: a broken drain pipe extension,
a snow shovel, and some returnable bottles and cans (maybe $40 worth.
I don't keep my drivers license, my kids passports, or my US military secrets
in the garage. I feel like they deserve better protection than that.
Trump cared enough to contest the raid, but Biden's attitude seems to be "I
already made a fortune off the American people, and I'm on a downward spiral
anyway, so go ahead."
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MP> > But has he been tried yet? Trump claims that his documents were declassi
MP> > while the media and guys like Adam Schiff claim otherwise.
MP>
MP> Their claim was that he "declassified" them after he left office, which
MP> is I do not think is possible to legally do.
Now that we've compared all the background details to these stories, I hope
that we can soon start discussing the motives of the document hoarding.
Who had what to gain by hoarding documents? Did any foreign entity benefit
from the info contained in Biden's hoard, or from Trump's hoard?
Alternatively, did the American people have anything to gain by either
gentleman hoarding documents? (Hopefully these questions get answered or at
least asked in the near future!
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MP> > while the media and guys like Adam Schiff claim otherwise.
MP>
MP> Their claim was that he "declassified" them after he left office, which
MP> is I do not think is possible to legally do.
Now that we've compared all the background details to these stories, I hope
that we can soon start discussing the motives of the document hoarding.
Who had what to gain by hoarding documents? Did any foreign entity benefit
from the info contained in Biden's hoard, or from Trump's hoard?
Alternatively, did the American people have anything to gain by either
gentleman hoarding documents? (Hopefully these questions get answered or at
least asked in the near future!
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RL> AT> But has he been tried yet?
RL>
RL> Only in the court of public opinion. But the Dems don't care about a
RL> real trial. They only care about causing enough distration from their
RL> own crimes.
Some of the media has been kind enough to cover the Biden document scandal, in
a biased/Trump-focused way of course, but surely this can't be the end of
their relationship with the Democrat party, or even with Biden.
They've got until November of next year to repair Joe's image, and I'm
confident that they can do it. "Trump associate planted the documents in Joe's
garage," and "Trump caused the border crisis" might do the trick.
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RL>
RL> Only in the court of public opinion. But the Dems don't care about a
RL> real trial. They only care about causing enough distration from their
RL> own crimes.
Some of the media has been kind enough to cover the Biden document scandal, in
a biased/Trump-focused way of course, but surely this can't be the end of
their relationship with the Democrat party, or even with Biden.
They've got until November of next year to repair Joe's image, and I'm
confident that they can do it. "Trump associate planted the documents in Joe's
garage," and "Trump caused the border crisis" might do the trick.
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> Your statement makes the assumption that the person who stored the boxes
> knew that they contained classified documents. It is quite possible
> that they did not know that.
> Why is it dumb to store boxes of personal documents in a locked garage?
MP> If they didn't know the documents were classified, then someone
MP> goofed.
That is true. None of us really know yet exactly how the classified
documents were brought to Biden, nor why, and even whether or not Biden
ever saw them. We need to wait for the special counsel to determine
those things.
MP> That would indicate that Joe took them home, lost track of
MP> them, and then they later got boxed up with other "personal documents."
I don't see any thing that implies that Biden himself took the
classified documents to his house.
MP> I work for the government, that is a no-no.
As did I -- and you are correct in that there was some sort of mistake.
What we do not know is why, how, or with what sort of intention.
MP> For example, storing data that contain Federal Tax Information with
MP> data that does not makes all of the data FTI.
I do not believe that. I have FTI documents in my closet along with
documents relating to my time in government service and personal family
matters.
MP> Since we are talking about classified, *government* documents, Joe (or
MP> his team) should not have been tasking the filing/storage of
MP> classified, *government* documents to someone who was not aware and/or
MP> was not properly trained in how to handle them.
Again, assuming that Biden or his team knew that they contained
classified information.
MP> Irresponsible Joe probably told someone to "put these boxes in the
MP> garage."
Only irresponsible for him to say that *IF* he knew they contained
restricted materials.
Dale Shipp
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> Your statement makes the assumption that the person who stored the boxes
> knew that they contained classified documents. It is quite possible
> that they did not know that.
> Why is it dumb to store boxes of personal documents in a locked garage?
MP> If they didn't know the documents were classified, then someone
MP> goofed.
That is true. None of us really know yet exactly how the classified
documents were brought to Biden, nor why, and even whether or not Biden
ever saw them. We need to wait for the special counsel to determine
those things.
MP> That would indicate that Joe took them home, lost track of
MP> them, and then they later got boxed up with other "personal documents."
I don't see any thing that implies that Biden himself took the
classified documents to his house.
MP> I work for the government, that is a no-no.
As did I -- and you are correct in that there was some sort of mistake.
What we do not know is why, how, or with what sort of intention.
MP> For example, storing data that contain Federal Tax Information with
MP> data that does not makes all of the data FTI.
I do not believe that. I have FTI documents in my closet along with
documents relating to my time in government service and personal family
matters.
MP> Since we are talking about classified, *government* documents, Joe (or
MP> his team) should not have been tasking the filing/storage of
MP> classified, *government* documents to someone who was not aware and/or
MP> was not properly trained in how to handle them.
Again, assuming that Biden or his team knew that they contained
classified information.
MP> Irresponsible Joe probably told someone to "put these boxes in the
MP> garage."
Only irresponsible for him to say that *IF* he knew they contained
restricted materials.
Dale Shipp
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AT> Some of the media has been kind enough to cover the Biden document
AT> scandal, in a biased/Trump-focused way of course, but surely this can't
AT> be the end of their relationship with the Democrat party, or even with
AT> Biden.
Probably not. They are using this to bolster their flagging ratings.
But you never know. "Get Woke, Go Broke" is still true and many of these
"news" outlets are understanding that. But I don't have any faith that they
will be able to recover their credibility.
AT> They've got until November of next year to repair Joe's image, and I'm
AT> confident that they can do it. "Trump associate planted the documents
AT> in Joe's garage," and "Trump caused the border crisis" might do the
AT> trick.
Probably. Never mind any facts. But the people who listen to the Propaganda
Ministry...er.. Mainstream Media can't handle facts anyway.
Overall, I doubt that they can repair Sleepy Joe's image to the majority of
the population. If only because we stopped listening to the Media.
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AT> Some of the media has been kind enough to cover the Biden document
AT> scandal, in a biased/Trump-focused way of course, but surely this can't
AT> be the end of their relationship with the Democrat party, or even with
AT> Biden.
Probably not. They are using this to bolster their flagging ratings.
But you never know. "Get Woke, Go Broke" is still true and many of these
"news" outlets are understanding that. But I don't have any faith that they
will be able to recover their credibility.
AT> They've got until November of next year to repair Joe's image, and I'm
AT> confident that they can do it. "Trump associate planted the documents
AT> in Joe's garage," and "Trump caused the border crisis" might do the
AT> trick.
Probably. Never mind any facts. But the people who listen to the Propaganda
Ministry...er.. Mainstream Media can't handle facts anyway.
Overall, I doubt that they can repair Sleepy Joe's image to the majority of
the population. If only because we stopped listening to the Media.
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MP> Irresponsible Joe probably told someone to "put these boxes in the
MP> garage."
Joe hasn't been able to think for himself for a long time now.
Most likely he took the documents home and someone else, not knowing what
they were, put them in the garage. Probably it was Hunter so it would be easy
to give them to the Chinese spies when they visited.
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MP> Irresponsible Joe probably told someone to "put these boxes in the
MP> garage."
Joe hasn't been able to think for himself for a long time now.
Most likely he took the documents home and someone else, not knowing what
they were, put them in the garage. Probably it was Hunter so it would be easy
to give them to the Chinese spies when they visited.
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-=> Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-
AT> Who had what to gain by hoarding documents?
The Biden Crime Family, of course.
AT> Did any foreign entity
AT> benefit from the info contained in Biden's hoard, or from Trump's
AT> hoard?
Probably and probably not, respectively.
AT> Alternatively, did the American people have anything to gain by
AT> either gentleman hoarding documents?
Of course not. The Ignorant Elitists don't care about the proles.
AT> (Hopefully these questions get
AT> answered or at least asked in the near future!
You can bet that they won't be asked or answered.
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AT> Who had what to gain by hoarding documents?
The Biden Crime Family, of course.
AT> Did any foreign entity
AT> benefit from the info contained in Biden's hoard, or from Trump's
AT> hoard?
Probably and probably not, respectively.
AT> Alternatively, did the American people have anything to gain by
AT> either gentleman hoarding documents?
Of course not. The Ignorant Elitists don't care about the proles.
AT> (Hopefully these questions get
AT> answered or at least asked in the near future!
You can bet that they won't be asked or answered.
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RL> AT> Some of the media has been kind enough to cover the Biden document
RL> AT> scandal, in a biased/Trump-focused way of course, but surely this can
RL> AT> be the end of their relationship with the Democrat party, or even wit
RL> AT> Biden.
RL>
RL> Probably not. They are using this to bolster their flagging ratings.
Joe has been a real team-player for the rest of the leftist community. If
they're going to throw him under the bus now, after he put trillions of
dollars into their pockets, then it's got to be because someone higher up in
the regime has decided that Joe's ship is officially sinking.
Forget investing in Joe, now they've got to invest in a Republican patsy.
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RL> AT> scandal, in a biased/Trump-focused way of course, but surely this can
RL> AT> be the end of their relationship with the Democrat party, or even wit
RL> AT> Biden.
RL>
RL> Probably not. They are using this to bolster their flagging ratings.
Joe has been a real team-player for the rest of the leftist community. If
they're going to throw him under the bus now, after he put trillions of
dollars into their pockets, then it's got to be because someone higher up in
the regime has decided that Joe's ship is officially sinking.
Forget investing in Joe, now they've got to invest in a Republican patsy.
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> MP> For example, storing data that contain Federal Tax Information with
> MP> data that does not makes all of the data FTI.
> I do not believe that. I have FTI documents in my closet along with
> documents relating to my time in government service and personal family
> matters.
Except it is true. Part of what makes data/documents FTI is that they came
from the IRS. If they are your own federal tax returns or other
information not supplied by the IRS then they are more likely PII -
personal identifying information. So long as it is your information, you
can put that anywhere you want (although I wouldn't). If you are entrusted
to be handling someone else's PII, there are likely restrictions placed by
whatever entity entrusted you to do so.
Outside of documents you or family members may have received from the IRS
in regards to yourselves, I somehow doubt you have actual IRS-supplied FTI in
your personal home.
Mixing FTI data with any other data makes all of the data FTI when it comes
to protection requirements.
> MP> Since we are talking about classified, *government* documents, Joe (or
> MP> his team) should not have been tasking the filing/storage of
> MP> classified, *government* documents to someone who was not aware and/or
> MP> was not properly trained in how to handle them.
> Again, assuming that Biden or his team knew that they contained
> classified information.
I somehow doubt that someone on the team didn't know.
After all, this is the man who questioned how someone could do something so
irresponsible, and how could someone even make such a mistake. He set the
bar pretty high for others, for sure.
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> MP> data that does not makes all of the data FTI.
> I do not believe that. I have FTI documents in my closet along with
> documents relating to my time in government service and personal family
> matters.
Except it is true. Part of what makes data/documents FTI is that they came
from the IRS. If they are your own federal tax returns or other
information not supplied by the IRS then they are more likely PII -
personal identifying information. So long as it is your information, you
can put that anywhere you want (although I wouldn't). If you are entrusted
to be handling someone else's PII, there are likely restrictions placed by
whatever entity entrusted you to do so.
Outside of documents you or family members may have received from the IRS
in regards to yourselves, I somehow doubt you have actual IRS-supplied FTI in
your personal home.
Mixing FTI data with any other data makes all of the data FTI when it comes
to protection requirements.
> MP> Since we are talking about classified, *government* documents, Joe (or
> MP> his team) should not have been tasking the filing/storage of
> MP> classified, *government* documents to someone who was not aware and/or
> MP> was not properly trained in how to handle them.
> Again, assuming that Biden or his team knew that they contained
> classified information.
I somehow doubt that someone on the team didn't know.
After all, this is the man who questioned how someone could do something so
irresponsible, and how could someone even make such a mistake. He set the
bar pretty high for others, for sure.
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> MP> For example, storing data that contain Federal Tax Information with
> MP> data that does not makes all of the data FTI.
> I do not believe that. I have FTI documents in my closet along with
> documents relating to my time in government service and personal family
> matters.
MP> Except it is true. Part of what makes data/documents FTI is that they
MP> came from the IRS. If they are your own federal tax returns or other
MP> information not supplied by the IRS then they are more likely PII -
OK. I had not seen the accronym FTI before and thus was unaware of your
definition.
MP> personal identifying information. So long as it is your information,
MP> you can put that anywhere you want (although I wouldn't). If you are
MP> entrusted to be handling someone else's PII, there are likely
MP> restrictions placed by whatever entity entrusted you to do so.
MP> Outside of documents you or family members may have received from the
MP> IRS in regards to yourselves, I somehow doubt you have actual
MP> IRS-supplied FTI in your personal home.
MP> Mixing FTI data with any other data makes all of the data FTI when it
MP> comes to protection requirements.
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> MP> For example, storing data that contain Federal Tax Information with
> MP> data that does not makes all of the data FTI.
> I do not believe that. I have FTI documents in my closet along with
> documents relating to my time in government service and personal family
> matters.
MP> Except it is true. Part of what makes data/documents FTI is that they
MP> came from the IRS. If they are your own federal tax returns or other
MP> information not supplied by the IRS then they are more likely PII -
OK. I had not seen the accronym FTI before and thus was unaware of your
definition.
MP> personal identifying information. So long as it is your information,
MP> you can put that anywhere you want (although I wouldn't). If you are
MP> entrusted to be handling someone else's PII, there are likely
MP> restrictions placed by whatever entity entrusted you to do so.
MP> Outside of documents you or family members may have received from the
MP> IRS in regards to yourselves, I somehow doubt you have actual
MP> IRS-supplied FTI in your personal home.
MP> Mixing FTI data with any other data makes all of the data FTI when it
MP> comes to protection requirements.
Dale Shipp
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