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Re: Re: "The right verdict"
By: Mike Powell to ALAN IANSON on Fri Apr 23 2021 04:15 pm
>> BLM will continue their protests as long as there is something to
>> protest.
MP> While their leader buys multi-million dollar homes with the money they've
MP> made.
What homes? Who is this leader you speak of?
Ttyl
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By: Mike Powell to ALAN IANSON on Fri Apr 23 2021 04:15 pm
>> BLM will continue their protests as long as there is something to
>> protest.
MP> While their leader buys multi-million dollar homes with the money they've
MP> made.
What homes? Who is this leader you speak of?
Ttyl
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On 23 Apr 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
MP> > There's also the distinct possibility that they simply found him guilty.
MP> > Really, really guilty. Until you can prove juror intimidation, I think
MP> > Occam's Razor applies here.
MP>
MP> The evidence (reported in the press, since we weren't there) sure made
MP> him sound guilty. However, if he'd been completely innocent, I don't
MP> think there was ever any chance of him getting a fair trial.
Unfair trials of police officers tend to favor acquittal, not conviction. The
jurors saw far more than we did, and they decided that he was guilty.
Jeff.
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wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself
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MP> > There's also the distinct possibility that they simply found him guilty.
MP> > Really, really guilty. Until you can prove juror intimidation, I think
MP> > Occam's Razor applies here.
MP>
MP> The evidence (reported in the press, since we weren't there) sure made
MP> him sound guilty. However, if he'd been completely innocent, I don't
MP> think there was ever any chance of him getting a fair trial.
Unfair trials of police officers tend to favor acquittal, not conviction. The
jurors saw far more than we did, and they decided that he was guilty.
Jeff.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and
wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself
right.
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LL> Lawful citizens, having a party, outside a courthouse, do not want
LL> to burn any houses down, much less their own.
LL>
LL> It is others who want to do that. Such as those who follow Trump.
LL> Do you know how I know that? Howard Dean told me so. He says people
Howard Dean's full of it. I'd rather hear what Dean Martin has to say.
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LL> to burn any houses down, much less their own.
LL>
LL> It is others who want to do that. Such as those who follow Trump.
LL> Do you know how I know that? Howard Dean told me so. He says people
Howard Dean's full of it. I'd rather hear what Dean Martin has to say.
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LL> I am sure that Derek Chauvin will appeal. That is is what most
LL> folks who have been found guilty do. But his chances of having the
LL> verdict overturned are slim to nill. So nobody is really worried
LL> about that.
I feel like we should drop this thread. All we're doing is contributing to
race talk and that's what the media wants. Today, let's say F race-play.
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LL> folks who have been found guilty do. But his chances of having the
LL> verdict overturned are slim to nill. So nobody is really worried
LL> about that.
I feel like we should drop this thread. All we're doing is contributing to
race talk and that's what the media wants. Today, let's say F race-play.
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AI> > I don't care about doing Chauvin wrong, but I care about mob rule.
AI>
AI> OK, good thing there is no mob rule happening here.
I'll agree with you that the *liberal media* hasn't suggested there's mob rule.
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AI>
AI> OK, good thing there is no mob rule happening here.
I'll agree with you that the *liberal media* hasn't suggested there's mob rule.
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MP> I am wondering if the prosecution doesn't narrow it down to the most
MP> serious of the 3 before sentencing. On TV, if you can trust that, the
MP> reporter seemed to think he could serve sentences for all three.
We need to ignore this crap. It's clickbait for liberals. Chauvin and Trump
are all they talk about.
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MP> serious of the 3 before sentencing. On TV, if you can trust that, the
MP> reporter seemed to think he could serve sentences for all three.
We need to ignore this crap. It's clickbait for liberals. Chauvin and Trump
are all they talk about.
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> >> BLM will continue their protests as long as there is something to
> >> protest.
> MP> While their leader buys multi-million dollar homes with the money
they've
> MP> made.
> What homes? Who is this leader you speak of?
One of the BLM leaders. I guess they don't talk about that on SNL news.
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> >> protest.
> MP> While their leader buys multi-million dollar homes with the money
they've
> MP> made.
> What homes? Who is this leader you speak of?
One of the BLM leaders. I guess they don't talk about that on SNL news.
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> MP> The evidence (reported in the press, since we weren't there) sure made
> MP> him sound guilty. However, if he'd been completely innocent, I don't
> MP> think there was ever any chance of him getting a fair trial.
> Unfair trials of police officers tend to favor acquittal, not conviction. The
> jurors saw far more than we did, and they decided that he was guilty.
It turned out fair only because he was likely guilty. If he'd not been
guilty I think he still would have been found guilty of something. That
was why I was pretty confident in my poll answer.
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> MP> him sound guilty. However, if he'd been completely innocent, I don't
> MP> think there was ever any chance of him getting a fair trial.
> Unfair trials of police officers tend to favor acquittal, not conviction. The
> jurors saw far more than we did, and they decided that he was guilty.
It turned out fair only because he was likely guilty. If he'd not been
guilty I think he still would have been found guilty of something. That
was why I was pretty confident in my poll answer.
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> > Suspects getting multiple charges is common (2nd degree homicide, 3rd
> > degree murder) but typically they end up getting convicted of one or
> > the other.
> Roger Stone was also charged with seven crimes.
Seven different crimes. They will add charges to a crime to increase the
severity. I don't live in Minnesota (and apparently no one here does), but
being able to charge someone with multiple killings of only one victim does
not happen where I live. The prosecution has to decide which charge they
think they can get a conviction on and go with that one.
Now, they might charge someone with murder and some other deadly weapon
charge, or assault, or some other crime in order to potentially get a
longer or more severe sentence but, in Kentucky, you can only murder
one person once.
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> > degree murder) but typically they end up getting convicted of one or
> > the other.
> Roger Stone was also charged with seven crimes.
Seven different crimes. They will add charges to a crime to increase the
severity. I don't live in Minnesota (and apparently no one here does), but
being able to charge someone with multiple killings of only one victim does
not happen where I live. The prosecution has to decide which charge they
think they can get a conviction on and go with that one.
Now, they might charge someone with murder and some other deadly weapon
charge, or assault, or some other crime in order to potentially get a
longer or more severe sentence but, in Kentucky, you can only murder
one person once.
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On 24 Apr 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
MP> It turned out fair only because he was likely guilty. If he'd not been
MP> guilty I think he still would have been found guilty of something. That
MP> was why I was pretty confident in my poll answer.
Well, that's an interesting way to look at it, I'll give you that.
Jeff.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and
wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself
right.
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MP> It turned out fair only because he was likely guilty. If he'd not been
MP> guilty I think he still would have been found guilty of something. That
MP> was why I was pretty confident in my poll answer.
Well, that's an interesting way to look at it, I'll give you that.
Jeff.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and
wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself
right.
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Re: Re: "The right verdict"
By: Aaron Thomas to Alan Ianson on Fri Apr 23 2021 10:54 pm
AT> I'll agree with you that the *liberal media* hasn't suggested there's mob
AT> rule.
I agree with you that *right wing media* has suggested there is some sort of
mob rule. Tucker Carlson presented that as fact.
Ttyl,
Al
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By: Aaron Thomas to Alan Ianson on Fri Apr 23 2021 10:54 pm
AT> I'll agree with you that the *liberal media* hasn't suggested there's mob
AT> rule.
I agree with you that *right wing media* has suggested there is some sort of
mob rule. Tucker Carlson presented that as fact.
Ttyl
,
Al
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Re: Re: "The right verdict"
By: Mike Powell to ALAN IANSON on Sat Apr 24 2021 10:28 am
> MP>> While their leader buys multi-million dollar homes with the money
> MP>> they've made.
>> What homes? Who is this leader you speak of?
MP> One of the BLM leaders. I guess they don't talk about that on SNL news.
No they don't.
What homes? Who is this leader you speak of?
Ttyl,
Al
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By: Mike Powell to ALAN IANSON on Sat Apr 24 2021 10:28 am
> MP>> While their leader buys multi-million dollar homes with the money
> MP>> they've made.
>> What homes? Who is this leader you speak of?
MP> One of the BLM leaders. I guess they don't talk about that on SNL news.
No they don't.
What homes? Who is this leader you speak of?
Ttyl
,
Al
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Re: Re: "The right verdict"
By: Mike Powell to ALAN IANSON on Sat Apr 24 2021 10:53 am
MP> Seven different crimes.
If I remember right, five of those counts were for lying to congress. The same
crime committed five times.
MP> They will add charges to a crime to increase the severity.
A criminal can be charged with multiple counts of the same crime if that crime
was committed repeatedly.
MP> I don't live in Minnesota (and apparently no one here does), but
MP> being able to charge someone with multiple killings of only one victim
MP> does not happen where I live.
Chauvin was only charged with the killing George Floyd.
MP> The prosecution has to decide which charge they think they can get a
MP> conviction on and go with that one.
The prosecution will charge you for crimes when the believe they can get a
conviction. In this case they were successful on all counts.
MP> Now, they might charge someone with murder and some other deadly weapon
MP> charge, or assault, or some other crime in order to potentially get a
MP> longer or more severe sentence but, in Kentucky, you can only murder
MP> one person once.
True, you can only kill a man once but you can do it several ways.
Ttyl,
Al
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By: Mike Powell to ALAN IANSON on Sat Apr 24 2021 10:53 am
MP> Seven different crimes.
If I remember right, five of those counts were for lying to congress. The same
crime committed five times.
MP> They will add charges to a crime to increase the severity.
A criminal can be charged with multiple counts of the same crime if that crime
was committed repeatedly.
MP> I don't live in Minnesota (and apparently no one here does), but
MP> being able to charge someone with multiple killings of only one victim
MP> does not happen where I live.
Chauvin was only charged with the killing George Floyd.
MP> The prosecution has to decide which charge they think they can get a
MP> conviction on and go with that one.
The prosecution will charge you for crimes when the believe they can get a
conviction. In this case they were successful on all counts.
MP> Now, they might charge someone with murder and some other deadly weapon
MP> charge, or assault, or some other crime in order to potentially get a
MP> longer or more severe sentence but, in Kentucky, you can only murder
MP> one person once.
True, you can only kill a man once but you can do it several ways.
Ttyl
,
Al
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Re: Re: "The right verdict"
By: Alan Ianson to Mike Powell on Sat Apr 24 2021 03:08 pm
AI> What homes? Who is this leader you speak of?
Patrisse Kahn-Cullors, the leader of Black Lives Matter and a self-described
Marxis, recently purchased a $1.4 million home in an exclusive Los Angeles
neighborhood where the vast majority of residents are white.
This is from The New York Post.
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By: Alan Ianson to Mike Powell on Sat Apr 24 2021 03:08 pm
AI> What homes? Who is this leader you speak of?
Patrisse Kahn-Cullors, the leader of Black Lives Matter and a self-described
Marxis, recently purchased a $1.4 million home in an exclusive Los Angeles
neighborhood where the vast majority of residents are white.
This is from The New York Post.
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Re: Re: "The right verdict"
By: William Williams to Alan Ianson on Sat Apr 24 2021 10:25 pm
WW> Patrisse Kahn-Cullors, the leader of Black Lives Matter and a
WW> self-described Marxis, recently purchased a $1.4 million home in an
WW> exclusive Los Angeles neighborhood where the vast majority of residents
WW> are white.
Yes, she did. She has purchased a few properties over the last five years from
what I read. That is not a crime or unusual.
WW> This is from The New York Post.
I never read or heard of this story in the Post. As usual the post has not
presented facts, just a story.
Ttyl,
Al
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By: William Williams to Alan Ianson on Sat Apr 24 2021 10:25 pm
WW> Patrisse Kahn-Cullors, the leader of Black Lives Matter and a
WW> self-described Marxis, recently purchased a $1.4 million home in an
WW> exclusive Los Angeles neighborhood where the vast majority of residents
WW> are white.
Yes, she did. She has purchased a few properties over the last five years from
what I read. That is not a crime or unusual.
WW> This is from The New York Post.
I never read or heard of this story in the Post. As usual the post has not
presented facts, just a story.
Ttyl
,
Al
... I just wanna find... Uh... 11,780 votes. -Donald Trump 2021
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On 24 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
AT> We need to ignore this crap. It's clickbait for liberals. Chauvin and
AT> Trump are all they talk about.
...Or something like that. I think it's more like "We can't defend Chauvin,
give it up."
Jeff.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and
wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself
right.
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AT> We need to ignore this crap. It's clickbait for liberals. Chauvin and
AT> Trump are all they talk about.
...Or something like that. I think it's more like "We can't defend Chauvin,
give it up."
Jeff.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and
wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself
right.
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WW> Re: Re: "The right verdict"
WW> By: Alan Ianson to Mike Powell on Sat Apr 24 2021 03:08 pm
AI> What homes? Who is this leader you speak of?
WW> Patrisse Kahn-Cullors, the leader of Black Lives Matter and
WW> a self-described Marxis, recently purchased a $1.4 million
WW> home in an exclusive Los Angeles neighborhood where the
WW> vast majority of residents are white.
But not with money from BLM. She is a co-founder of BLM in 2013. From
then to 2019 she received a total of $120,000 from BLM and nothing since
then. Her money comes from her work as a college professor, as a
television producer and books.
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WW> Re: Re: "The right verdict"
WW> By: Alan Ianson to Mike Powell on Sat Apr 24 2021 03:08 pm
AI> What homes? Who is this leader you speak of?
WW> Patrisse Kahn-Cullors, the leader of Black Lives Matter and
WW> a self-described Marxis, recently purchased a $1.4 million
WW> home in an exclusive Los Angeles neighborhood where the
WW> vast majority of residents are white.
But not with money from BLM. She is a co-founder of BLM in 2013. From
then to 2019 she received a total of $120,000 from BLM and nothing since
then. Her money comes from her work as a college professor, as a
television producer and books.
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> MP> I am wondering if the prosecution doesn't narrow it down to the most
> MP> serious of the 3 before sentencing. On TV, if you can trust that, the
> MP> reporter seemed to think he could serve sentences for all three.
> We need to ignore this crap. It's clickbait for liberals. Chauvin and Trump
> are all they talk about.
True!
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> MP> serious of the 3 before sentencing. On TV, if you can trust that, the
> MP> reporter seemed to think he could serve sentences for all three.
> We need to ignore this crap. It's clickbait for liberals. Chauvin and Trump
> are all they talk about.
True!
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> MP> Seven different crimes.
> If I remember right, five of those counts were for lying to congress. The
same
> rime committed five times.
"Committed five times" is your hint. You can only murder one person once,
unless you revive them?
> A criminal can be charged with multiple counts of the same crime if that
crime
> as committed repeatedly.
He only committed murder/manslaughter once.
> MP> I don't live in Minnesota (and apparently no one here does), but
> MP> being able to charge someone with multiple killings of only one victim
> MP> does not happen where I live.
> Chauvin was only charged with the killing George Floyd.
Right, but he got convicted of two murders and one manslaughter. Here you
can only get convicted of one such charge per victim.
> MP> The prosecution has to decide which charge they think they can get a
> MP> conviction on and go with that one.
>The prosecution will charge you for crimes when the believe they can get a
conv
>ction. In this case they were successful on all counts.
Here they have to pick one murder/manslaughter charge per victim.
I am wondering what is different in Minnesota, but I don't think either of
us is a good source for an answer to that question. There was a bunch of
extra verbiage tacked on to each one, when the verdict was read out, so
maybe that has something to do with it.
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> If I remember right, five of those counts were for lying to congress. The
same
> rime committed five times.
"Committed five times" is your hint. You can only murder one person once,
unless you revive them?
> A criminal can be charged with multiple counts of the same crime if that
crime
> as committed repeatedly.
He only committed murder/manslaughter once.
> MP> I don't live in Minnesota (and apparently no one here does), but
> MP> being able to charge someone with multiple killings of only one victim
> MP> does not happen where I live.
> Chauvin was only charged with the killing George Floyd.
Right, but he got convicted of two murders and one manslaughter. Here you
can only get convicted of one such charge per victim.
> MP> The prosecution has to decide which charge they think they can get a
> MP> conviction on and go with that one.
>The prosecution will charge you for crimes when the believe they can get a
conv
>ction. In this case they were successful on all counts.
Here they have to pick one murder/manslaughter charge per victim.
I am wondering what is different in Minnesota, but I don't think either of
us is a good source for an answer to that question. There was a bunch of
extra verbiage tacked on to each one, when the verdict was read out, so
maybe that has something to do with it.
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> AI> What homes? Who is this leader you speak of?
>Patrisse Kahn-Cullors, the leader of Black Lives Matter and a self-described
Ma
>xis, recently purchased a $1.4 million home in an exclusive Los Angeles
neighbo
>hood where the vast majority of residents are white.
>This is from The New York Post.
And other sources, but apparently not on Saturday Night Live "news."
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>Patrisse Kahn-Cullors, the leader of Black Lives Matter and a self-described
Ma
>xis, recently purchased a $1.4 million home in an exclusive Los Angeles
neighbo
>hood where the vast majority of residents are white.
>This is from The New York Post.
And other sources, but apparently not on Saturday Night Live "news."
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