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From: Alexey Vissarionov (2:5020/545)
To: All
Date: Thu, 29.11.12 14:13
FTS-5000.003
Good ${greeting_time}, Carol!

28 Nov 2012 20:53:32, you wrote to me:

>> The quote prefix MUST be /^[[:blank:]]*[[:alnum:]]*>+^[[:blank:]]*/
CS> That is from the proposal right?

Haven't you read it?

CS> It's not universal nor have we told all fidonet sytems to stop
CS> quoting messages over an editor that doesnt use that proposal
CS> standard.

It is, as regexes are matched using the process' locale.
Moreover, it is used not only in Fidonet.

CS> The default SBBS editor is not proposal 0032 compliant either.
CS> Should we tell all SBBS sysops they have to change software
CS> over a proposal that is not a required standard? I think NOT.

Should you tell those fools what to do? Of course, NO - that's useless.

CS> Granted SBBS can use almost any editor so any one that works for the
CS> user's needs is there.

Yes. Even vim may be used for that purpose - but look how it marks the quotes
using different colors: http://pics.rsh.ru/img/fido-vim_dg4eo.png

>> It was your editor which adds " > " in front of " YZ> " instead of
>> simply increasing the quote level (" YZ>> "Wink. This _does_ _not_
>> conform to common practice, and thus is annoying.
CS> Your version of 'common practice' is apparently local to your area
CS> of the world.

Yes. But our "local area" (which uses this version of common practice) is over
3/4 of the whole Fidonet, so our common practice appears to be also common for
the whole Fidonet.

CS> My quote editor just adds a > and a space. Yours adds CS> and when
CS> I quote you quoting me you get > CS> It is not that hard to figure
CS> out is it?

That's obvious algorithm. And (of course!Wink it's incorrect: the '>' symbols
should be added to the end of prefix.

CS> If it helps any, when i started out we didnt have automated quote
CS> headers and you had to add them then you started to see > added.
CS> Much later you got initials.

You've stuck in previous millenium...

>> All known BBSes which produce more than 1000 messages per day use
>> FSC-0032 quoting style.
CS> Please list which ones you mean.

You asked for that... Prepare to press PageDown several times:

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CS> So after some snips, you will only stop beating up on me if i swap to
CS> golded?

No - that will not help Smile
Most likely you'll need to show the knowledge (or at least understanding) of
modern technologies and readiness to work with them.

CS> Is that really what you meant to say or was that a translation
CS> problem? I'm totally ok if it is an english to your language issue
CS> and you did not know hat this came off as more than a little
CS> 'unfriendly' and very 'pushy' because when working across languages,
CS> that can easily happen by accident. No harm fe lt here if that is all
CS> it is.

Anyway, my English is infinitely better than your Russian :-b

>> Yes, showing your incompetence (including the unability to set up
>> modern software) is much easier than learning something new...
CS> Why thank you for calling me an idiot. Really appreciate that.

You are welcome...

CS> I am willing though to assume much of what is happening here is at
CS> least possibly a language differnce. Knowing just the words doesnt
CS> always show you how they come over to the other side when it's a
CS> second language.

May be... I see your lack of knowledge and attempts to make some conclusions
under the lack of information, and see how unrelated to reality they are.

CS> English native speakers, please hold off. I highly suspect he has no
CS> CLUE how the words added up to be insulting.

When I really want to insult someone, it's hard to be misunderstood... Smile

CS> Do not use this to vote against him as he's trying to express
CS> something he feels strongly about but to me, is selecting words
CS> that 'work' but unaware how they come over.

Yes, some people have already told me that writing "ambisinister" is more
acceptable than "has hands growing from the arse"...


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