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From: Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 23:17:05 -0800, Dim Witte <dakadldo2@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 20:06:31 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 18:19:34 -0800, Dim Witte <dakadldo2@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> My limit would be maybe just for:
>>
>>Too bad the Founders disagreed with you.
>
>Just trying to make allowances for the changes of reference we have
>now, allowing pretty much what people need for personal defences, what
>the local gangs are up to not so much.
>
>Surely you aren't in favor of literally allowing what military use?
>Think of what will probably be coming up in the future, like ray guns,
>sonic and laser weapons, brain-damaging bolts of electricity, etc..
Yes and? Where is the problem?
>
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On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 23:17:05 -0800, Dim Witte <dakadldo2@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 20:06:31 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 18:19:34 -0800, Dim Witte <dakadldo2@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> My limit would be maybe just for:
>>
>>Too bad the Founders disagreed with you.
>
>Just trying to make allowances for the changes of reference we have
>now, allowing pretty much what people need for personal defences, what
>the local gangs are up to not so much.
>
>Surely you aren't in favor of literally allowing what military use?
>Think of what will probably be coming up in the future, like ray guns,
>sonic and laser weapons, brain-damaging bolts of electricity, etc..
Yes and? Where is the problem?
>
>>
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From: Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 23:30:01 -0800, Dim Witte <dakadldo2@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>Have to be pragmatic about making changes to the Constitution that
>Congress and political parties allow. Maybe think along the lines of
>what Supreme Court would consider reasonalble.
Im all in favor of bringing back and legalizing dueling. Then I could
call you out.
Sledge hammers in say..6' of water perhaps?
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On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 23:30:01 -0800, Dim Witte <dakadldo2@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>Have to be pragmatic about making changes to the Constitution that
>Congress and political parties allow. Maybe think along the lines of
>what Supreme Court would consider reasonalble.
Im all in favor of bringing back and legalizing dueling. Then I could
call you out.
Sledge hammers in say..6' of water perhaps?
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From: Dim Witte <dakadldo2@gmail.com>
On Sun, 29 Jul 2018 18:45:00 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 23:17:05 -0800, Dim Witte <dakadldo2@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 20:06:31 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 18:19:34 -0800, Dim Witte <dakadldo2@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>> My limit would be maybe just for:
>>>
>>>Too bad the Founders disagreed with you.
>>
>>Just trying to make allowances for the changes of reference we have
>>now, allowing pretty much what people need for personal defences, what
>>the local gangs are up to not so much.
>>
>>Surely you aren't in favor of literally allowing what military use?
>>Think of what will probably be coming up in the future, like ray guns,
>>sonic and laser weapons, brain-damaging bolts of electricity, etc..
>
>Yes and? Where is the problem?
Well, hand grenades and napalm bombs leave bars and shooting ranges in
a mess.
>
>
>>
>>>
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On Sun, 29 Jul 2018 18:45:00 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 23:17:05 -0800, Dim Witte <dakadldo2@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 20:06:31 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 18:19:34 -0800, Dim Witte <dakadldo2@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>> My limit would be maybe just for:
>>>
>>>Too bad the Founders disagreed with you.
>>
>>Just trying to make allowances for the changes of reference we have
>>now, allowing pretty much what people need for personal defences, what
>>the local gangs are up to not so much.
>>
>>Surely you aren't in favor of literally allowing what military use?
>>Think of what will probably be coming up in the future, like ray guns,
>>sonic and laser weapons, brain-damaging bolts of electricity, etc..
>
>Yes and? Where is the problem?
Well, hand grenades and napalm bombs leave bars and shooting ranges in
a mess.
>
>
>>
>>>
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From: Dim Witte <dakadldo2@gmail.com>
On Sun, 29 Jul 2018 17:05:34 -0700, Winston_Smith
<invalid@butterfly.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 23:30:01 -0800, Dim Witte wrote:
>
>>Have to be pragmatic about making changes to the Constitution that
>>Congress and political parties allow. Maybe think along the lines of
>>what Supreme Court would consider reasonalble.
>
>Who the hell put them in charge? They are bound by the Constitution.
>The Constitution is NOT bound by what some current swamp dwellers say
>is "reasonable" because they have to bow to SCOTUS.
I think lawyers assume that laws are for the "reasonable man," and
weigh that in with making new laws and interpreting old ones. So I
assume a moderation of the 2nd Amendment would employ language like
that. Either you understand that the 2nd Amendment now is somewhat
unreasonable, or you don't.
>Bottom line, SCOTUS and the swamp dwelling politicritters get what
>little power we the people have chose to give them. Pending good
>behavior. All power rests with the people and the Constitution is
>nothing more than a very short list we have delegated.
Fine, both liberals and conservatives must respect common law that
evolves among popular understanding, I thinks. You got your popular
law and arbitrary laws written ex cathedra. Both are in British and
U.S. laws; so maybe a little more popular law is in order?
>
>I understand this may be a foreign concept to socialists such as
>yourself.
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On Sun, 29 Jul 2018 17:05:34 -0700, Winston_Smith
<invalid@butterfly.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 23:30:01 -0800, Dim Witte wrote:
>
>>Have to be pragmatic about making changes to the Constitution that
>>Congress and political parties allow. Maybe think along the lines of
>>what Supreme Court would consider reasonalble.
>
>Who the hell put them in charge? They are bound by the Constitution.
>The Constitution is NOT bound by what some current swamp dwellers say
>is "reasonable" because they have to bow to SCOTUS.
I think lawyers assume that laws are for the "reasonable man," and
weigh that in with making new laws and interpreting old ones. So I
assume a moderation of the 2nd Amendment would employ language like
that. Either you understand that the 2nd Amendment now is somewhat
unreasonable, or you don't.
>Bottom line, SCOTUS and the swamp dwelling politicritters get what
>little power we the people have chose to give them. Pending good
>behavior. All power rests with the people and the Constitution is
>nothing more than a very short list we have delegated.
Fine, both liberals and conservatives must respect common law that
evolves among popular understanding, I thinks. You got your popular
law and arbitrary laws written ex cathedra. Both are in British and
U.S. laws; so maybe a little more popular law is in order?
>
>I understand this may be a foreign concept to socialists such as
>yourself.
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From: Dim Witte <dakadldo2@gmail.com>
On Sun, 29 Jul 2018 18:46:15 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 23:30:01 -0800, Dim Witte <dakadldo2@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Have to be pragmatic about making changes to the Constitution that
>>Congress and political parties allow. Maybe think along the lines of
>>what Supreme Court would consider reasonalble.
>
>Im all in favor of bringing back and legalizing dueling. Then I could
>call you out.
>
>Sledge hammers in say..6' of water perhaps?
Classic short story by Zaroff, "The Most Dangerous Game," where a
marooned couple are released, then hunted by a sportsman with rifle
and dogs. Guess who survived?
>
>
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On Sun, 29 Jul 2018 18:46:15 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnerasch@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 23:30:01 -0800, Dim Witte <dakadldo2@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Have to be pragmatic about making changes to the Constitution that
>>Congress and political parties allow. Maybe think along the lines of
>>what Supreme Court would consider reasonalble.
>
>Im all in favor of bringing back and legalizing dueling. Then I could
>call you out.
>
>Sledge hammers in say..6' of water perhaps?
Classic short story by Zaroff, "The Most Dangerous Game," where a
marooned couple are released, then hunted by a sportsman with rifle
and dogs. Guess who survived?
>
>
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From: Dim Witte <dakadldo2@gmail.com>
On Sun, 29 Jul 2018 17:00:53 -0700, Winston_Smith
<invalid@butterfly.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 23:34:26 -0800, Dim Witte wrote:
>>On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 22:45:32 -0700, Winston_Smith wrote:
>
>>>>Not reasonable that civilians in a hometown guard have really advanced
>>>>weapons used by military,
>>>
>>>Bull####.
>>
>>Well, I suppose an argument could be that snipers and fire-bombers are
>>only trying to survive, so that means military forces are justified in
>>taking whatever steps deemed necessary, maybe burning you out with
>>napalm?
>
>I realize you like to play the provocateur troll but if that's really
>the depth of your understanding of the writings of the founding
>fathers on the subject, you have a lot of reading to catch up on.
Considering how short the 2nd Amendment is and the archaic key words,
I wonder that your " understanding" is based on ambiguity rather than
definition of terms. Supposed to be objective, not depend on
"founding fathers," whatever that is.
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On Sun, 29 Jul 2018 17:00:53 -0700, Winston_Smith
<invalid@butterfly.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 23:34:26 -0800, Dim Witte wrote:
>>On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 22:45:32 -0700, Winston_Smith wrote:
>
>>>>Not reasonable that civilians in a hometown guard have really advanced
>>>>weapons used by military,
>>>
>>>Bull####.
>>
>>Well, I suppose an argument could be that snipers and fire-bombers are
>>only trying to survive, so that means military forces are justified in
>>taking whatever steps deemed necessary, maybe burning you out with
>>napalm?
>
>I realize you like to play the provocateur troll but if that's really
>the depth of your understanding of the writings of the founding
>fathers on the subject, you have a lot of reading to catch up on.
Considering how short the 2nd Amendment is and the archaic key words,
I wonder that your " understanding" is based on ambiguity rather than
definition of terms. Supposed to be objective, not depend on
"founding fathers," whatever that is.
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