It seems like there is a dupe loop going on, caused by 1:140/1. A system with
an operator that still does not understand the importance of maintaining
seen-bys.

May I please ask any of you that still keep a link to 1:140/1 to cut that
link ASAP?

As far as we can see, the recent dupe link is caused by Ward, keeping his
link to Black Hole Bob. But please, the rest of you (I don't think we'll ever
be able to convince Ward to cut that link), the sooner you disconnect Bob from
the Fidoweb, the sooner we'll get rid of any dupe loops.

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Hi,


about: "Black hole Bob":

BF>> May I please ask any of you that still keep a link to 1:140/1 to
BF>> cut that link ASAP?

BP> no only zone gates can exchange echomail safely when it treverse zones,
let
BP> it be a wake up call

Are your serious? Zone gates are a thing of the past century!

Bye, Wilfred.


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Hello Wilfred!

07 May 2015 19:56, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Benny Pedersen:

WvV> Are your serious?

yes

WvV> Zone gates are a thing of the past century!

what about seen-by in 2d ?


Regards Benny

... there can only be one way of life, and it works

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Hi,

On 2015-05-07 22:53:34, Benny Pedersen wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:
about: "Re: Black hole Bob":

WvV>> Are your serious?

BP> yes

WvV>> Zone gates are a thing of the past century!

BP> what about seen-by in 2d ?

There are no more duplicate net's between the zones, so there is no problem!

Bye, Wilfred.


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Hello Wilfred!

07 May 2015 23:13, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Benny Pedersen:

WvV> There are no more duplicate net's between the zones, so there is no
WvV> problem!

why does Bjoern not shut the fuck up then ? :=)


Regards Benny

... there can only be one way of life, and it works

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Tommi,

TK> I've never had any problems with my link to Bob. It has been up for a
TK> million years.

Bob has been, is and probably will continue losing individual mail messages.

He's got a complicated set-up and sometimes produces "short archives". This
happens when PKZIP or whatever is still handling the archive and he's got
another process which already is transfering it to his outbound ... in which
case the archive-file is incomplete and will contain grunged messages ... or
not even at all.

Here are some examples from the D'Bridge logfile:

02/07/2013 14:51 Short archive "EAC1B2AD.TH1" erased
04/18/2013 11:30 Short archive "EAC1B2AD.TH2" erased
06/20/2013 07:30 Short archive "EAC1B2AD.WE7" erased
02/04/2014 08:27 Short archive "EAC1B2AD.TU0" erased
04/30/2014 23:30 Short archive "EAC1B2AD.WEC" erased
06/06/2014 01:30 Short archive "EAC1B2AD.TH4" erased
11/19/2014 23:41 Short archive "EAC1B2AD.WE4" erased
11/20/2014 03:30 Short archive "EAC1B2AD.WE6" erased
11/30/2014 14:32 Short archive "EAC1B2AD.SU6" erased

I've received zero-length archives as well.

There have been cases of ZONE-files going missing on his system too.

This was mentioned to ZC1 who responded "We've known for a long time that Bob
loses mail..." and then went on with her usual business. I decline to release
the identity of this ZC1...

\%/@rd

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Hi Ward,

On 2015-05-08 13:32:13, you wrote to Tommi Koivula:

TK>> I've never had any problems with my link to Bob. It has been up for a
TK>> million years.

WD> Bob has been, is and probably will continue losing individual mail
WD> messages.

WD> He's got a complicated set-up and sometimes produces "short archives".
This
WD> happens when PKZIP or whatever is still handling the archive and he's got
WD> another process which already is transfering it to his outbound ... in
WD> which case the archive-file is incomplete and will contain grunged
messages
WD> ... or not even at all.

WD> Here are some examples from the D'Bridge logfile:

WD> 02/07/2013 14:51 Short archive "EAC1B2AD.TH1" erased
WD> 04/18/2013 11:30 Short archive "EAC1B2AD.TH2" erased
WD> 06/20/2013 07:30 Short archive "EAC1B2AD.WE7" erased
WD> 02/04/2014 08:27 Short archive "EAC1B2AD.TU0" erased
WD> 04/30/2014 23:30 Short archive "EAC1B2AD.WEC" erased
WD> 06/06/2014 01:30 Short archive "EAC1B2AD.TH4" erased
WD> 11/19/2014 23:41 Short archive "EAC1B2AD.WE4" erased
WD> 11/20/2014 03:30 Short archive "EAC1B2AD.WE6" erased
WD> 11/30/2014 14:32 Short archive "EAC1B2AD.SU6" erased

WD> I've received zero-length archives as well.

WD> There have been cases of ZONE-files going missing on his system too.

WD> This was mentioned to ZC1 who responded "We've known for a long time that
WD> Bob loses mail..." and then went on with her usual business. I decline to
WD> release the identity of this ZC1...

So why do you still want to keep your link with Bob?

Bye, Wilfred.

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Tommi,

TK>WD> I've received zero-length archives as well.

TK> I haven't noticed broken archives ever, however I have found some zero
TK> lenght archives from Bob.

That's where one loses the mail ... but it only becomes obvious when
attentively following an echomail-conference which follows that track.

\%/@rd

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Wilfred,

Wv> So why do you still want to keep your link with Bob?

That is for me to know and for you to find out ... as we say in 'Meurica. ;-)

\%/@rd

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Hi Ward,

On 2015-05-08 14:40:50, you wrote to me:

Wv>> So why do you still want to keep your link with Bob?

WD> That is for me to know and for you to find out ... as we say in 'Meurica.
WD> ;-)

I was trying to find out by directly asking you. Is there another way? ;)

Bye, Wilfred.

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Wilfred,

Wv>WD> That is for me to know and for you to find out ... as we say in
Wv>WD> 'Meurica. ;-)

Wv> I was trying to find out by directly asking you. Is there another way? ;)

Get me some more of that excellent beer you had with you when we visite dat
Michiel's place...

Lemme see, I have links with Bob for the following active echoes:

DBRIDGE
FIDOGAZETTE
MAKENL_NG
ZCC
BINKD
NET_DEV
SYSOP
MYSTIC
Z1C



\%/@rd

--- D'Bridge 3.99
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Hi,

On 2015-05-08 15:45:19, Ward Dossche wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:
about: "Re: Black hole Bob":

Wv>> WD> That is for me to know and for you to find out ... as we say in
Wv>> WD> 'Meurica. ;-)

Wv>> I was trying to find out by directly asking you. Is there another way?
Wv>> ;)

WD> Get me some more of that excellent beer you had with you when we visite
dat
WD> Michiel's place...

That was a seasonal beer. We'll have to see next autumn if it will be available
again. My own stock didn't last very long. ;)

I discovered a new dutch beer I like very much:

http://www.jopenbier.nl/bieren/jopen-ongelovige-thomas/

It's a heavy beer, with a fruity taste. I will be enjoying one later tonight!
;)

WD> Lemme see, I have links with Bob for the following active echoes:

WD> DBRIDGE
WD> FIDOGAZETTE
WD> MAKENL_NG
WD> ZCC
WD> BINKD
WD> NET_DEV
WD> SYSOP
WD> MYSTIC
WD> Z1C

I have a number of them connected with you, and also other links, so they are
already on the fidoweb. So if Bob route fails you should get it from other
sources.

But NET_DEV? Are you still connected? Beginning this year you wrote in that
area:

WD> With just monthly moderator-rules as content, this echo is useless.

WD> I'm outta here.

And send a disconnect message to my areafix. You changed your mind?

Bye, Wilfred.


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Hi,


about: "Black hole Bob":

BF> May I please ask any of you that still keep a link to 1:140/1 to cut
BF> that link ASAP?

Not only the loop is a problem. I just got a netmail from North America, that
took some 4 days to get here. The via lines:

@Via 1:.../... @20150506.021605.UTC ...
@Via 1:120/544@fidonet @20150506.021618.00.UTC mbfido 0.92.0
@Via 1:140/1 @20150508.143915.UTC O/T-Track+ 2.85
@Via 1:140/1 @20150508.083919 GEcho/32 1.20/Pro
@Via D'Bridge 3.99 2:292/854 05/09 01:30

It's not absolute proof, but the delays are centered around 140/1...

I think that speaks for it self. :-/


Bye, Wilfred.


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Hello Ward!

08 May 2015 13:32, Ward Dossche wrote to Tommi Koivula:

WD> This was mentioned to ZC1 who responded "We've known for a long time
WD> that Bob loses mail..." and then went on with her usual business. I
WD> decline to release the identity of this ZC1...

simple fix is to stop binkp while tossing

hard fix is more complicated depending on OS and life


Regards Benny

... there can only be one way of life, and it works

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