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From: F. W. <me@home.com>
Do you know a chance to install GOOGLE CHROME? Chromium does not work here.
Thank you
FW
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Do you know a chance to install GOOGLE CHROME? Chromium does not work here.
Thank you
FW
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From:
The Natural Philosopher (2:221/10)
To: All
Date: Tue, 04.01.22 11:52
Re: Can CHROME be installed?
To: All
Date: Tue, 04.01.22 11:52
Re: Can CHROME be installed?
From: The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
On 04/01/2022 10:49, F. W. wrote:
> Do you know a chance to install GOOGLE CHROME? Chromium does not work here.
>
> Thank you
>
>
>
> FW
https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-chromium-browser/
chromium is as good as it gets
--
There’s a mighty big difference between good, sound reasons and reasons
that sound good.
Burton Hillis (William Vaughn, American columnist)
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On 04/01/2022 10:49, F. W. wrote:
> Do you know a chance to install GOOGLE CHROME? Chromium does not work here.
>
> Thank you
>
>
>
> FW
https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-chromium-browser/
chromium is as good as it gets
--
There’s a mighty big difference between good, sound reasons and reasons
that sound good.
Burton Hillis (William Vaughn, American columnist)
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From: F. W. <me@home.com>
Am 04.01.2022 um 12:52 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
> On 04/01/2022 10:49, F. W. wrote:
>> Do you know a chance to install GOOGLE CHROME? Chromium does not work
>> here.
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
>>
>> FW
>
> https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-chromium-browser/
>
> chromium is as good as it gets
>
>
>
I can not sync for my login seems not to work.
FW
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Am 04.01.2022 um 12:52 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
> On 04/01/2022 10:49, F. W. wrote:
>> Do you know a chance to install GOOGLE CHROME? Chromium does not work
>> here.
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
>>
>> FW
>
> https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-chromium-browser/
>
> chromium is as good as it gets
>
>
>
I can not sync for my login seems not to work.
FW
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From: Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk>
On 2022-01-04, F. W. <me@home.com> wrote:
> Am 04.01.2022 um 12:52 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
>> On 04/01/2022 10:49, F. W. wrote:
>>> Do you know a chance to install GOOGLE CHROME? Chromium does not work
>>> here.
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> FW
>>
>> https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-chromium-browser/
>>
>> chromium is as good as it gets
>>
>>
>>
>
> I can not sync for my login seems not to work.
>
What "login"?
How do you know it is a problem with chromium?
You have given very little information about your problem.
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On 2022-01-04, F. W. <me@home.com> wrote:
> Am 04.01.2022 um 12:52 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
>> On 04/01/2022 10:49, F. W. wrote:
>>> Do you know a chance to install GOOGLE CHROME? Chromium does not work
>>> here.
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> FW
>>
>> https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-chromium-browser/
>>
>> chromium is as good as it gets
>>
>>
>>
>
> I can not sync for my login seems not to work.
>
What "login"?
How do you know it is a problem with chromium?
You have given very little information about your problem.
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From: Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote:
> On 2022-01-04, F. W. <me@home.com> wrote:
> > I can not sync for my login seems not to work.
> >
>
> What "login"?
I presume logging in to their Google account in the browser for syncing
bookmarks, history, etc. Which is different from logging into the Gmail,
Google Apps, etc websites.
> How do you know it is a problem with chromium?
https://askubuntu.com/questions/1322559/sync-chromium-with-a-google-account-does
-not-work-any-more-solutions
says Google deliberately broke it in March.
The post at the bottom links to a workaround by inserting some API keys you
can generate on Google Cloud Platform into a Chromium config file. It may
or may not work!
Theo
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Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote:
> On 2022-01-04, F. W. <me@home.com> wrote:
> > I can not sync for my login seems not to work.
> >
>
> What "login"?
I presume logging in to their Google account in the browser for syncing
bookmarks, history, etc. Which is different from logging into the Gmail,
Google Apps, etc websites.
> How do you know it is a problem with chromium?
https://askubuntu.com/questions/1322559/sync-chromium-with-a-google-account-does
-not-work-any-more-solutions
says Google deliberately broke it in March.
The post at the bottom links to a workaround by inserting some API keys you
can generate on Google Cloud Platform into a Chromium config file. It may
or may not work!
Theo
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From: Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi>
"F. W." <me@home.com> writes:
> I can not sync for my login seems not to work.
Yes, AFAIK Goggle started preventing Chromium syncs in March last
year. Here's a possible workaround:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/67459316/enabling-chromium-to-sync-with-goog
le-account
I have no idea if that works. Not using Chrome or Chromium any more
obviously.
As for running Chrome on the Pi, apparently some people have done it via
x86 emulation since Google doesn't provide a binary for the
Pi. Something to maybe play with. There was even a commercial product,
"Exagear Desktop", which was apparently a convenient package to setup
x86 emulation on a Pi and run x86 apps. Curiously, an example mentioned
was video services with DRM support present in Chrome but not
Chromium. It seems to me this would be hopelessly slow or only work at
very low resolutions.
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"F. W." <me@home.com> writes:
> I can not sync for my login seems not to work.
Yes, AFAIK Goggle started preventing Chromium syncs in March last
year. Here's a possible workaround:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/67459316/enabling-chromium-to-sync-with-goog
le-account
I have no idea if that works. Not using Chrome or Chromium any more
obviously.
As for running Chrome on the Pi, apparently some people have done it via
x86 emulation since Google doesn't provide a binary for the
Pi. Something to maybe play with. There was even a commercial product,
"Exagear Desktop", which was apparently a convenient package to setup
x86 emulation on a Pi and run x86 apps. Curiously, an example mentioned
was video services with DRM support present in Chrome but not
Chromium. It seems to me this would be hopelessly slow or only work at
very low resolutions.
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From: randon <randon@nimbulus.xyz>
On 2022-01-05 3:20 a.m., Anssi Saari wrote:
> "F. W." <me@home.com> writes:
>
>> I can not sync for my login seems not to work.
>
> Yes, AFAIK Goggle started preventing Chromium syncs in March last
> year. Here's a possible workaround:
>
>
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/67459316/enabling-chromium-to-sync-with-goog
le-account
>
> I have no idea if that works. Not using Chrome or Chromium any more
> obviously.
>
> As for running Chrome on the Pi, apparently some people have done it via
> x86 emulation since Google doesn't provide a binary for the
> Pi. Something to maybe play with. There was even a commercial product,
> "Exagear Desktop", which was apparently a convenient package to setup
> x86 emulation on a Pi and run x86 apps. Curiously, an example mentioned
> was video services with DRM support present in Chrome but not
> Chromium. It seems to me this would be hopelessly slow or only work at
> very low resolutions.
>
What sort of performance penalty do you tend to see when emulating x86
on the pi?
-Nigel
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On 2022-01-05 3:20 a.m., Anssi Saari wrote:
> "F. W." <me@home.com> writes:
>
>> I can not sync for my login seems not to work.
>
> Yes, AFAIK Goggle started preventing Chromium syncs in March last
> year. Here's a possible workaround:
>
>
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/67459316/enabling-chromium-to-sync-with-goog
le-account
>
> I have no idea if that works. Not using Chrome or Chromium any more
> obviously.
>
> As for running Chrome on the Pi, apparently some people have done it via
> x86 emulation since Google doesn't provide a binary for the
> Pi. Something to maybe play with. There was even a commercial product,
> "Exagear Desktop", which was apparently a convenient package to setup
> x86 emulation on a Pi and run x86 apps. Curiously, an example mentioned
> was video services with DRM support present in Chrome but not
> Chromium. It seems to me this would be hopelessly slow or only work at
> very low resolutions.
>
What sort of performance penalty do you tend to see when emulating x86
on the pi?
-Nigel
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From: A. Dumas <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid>
randon <randon@nimbulus.xyz> wrote:
> What sort of performance penalty do you tend to see when emulating x86
> on the pi?
What do expect from such a small & limited computer compared almost any
x86? Everything slowing to a crawl.
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randon <randon@nimbulus.xyz> wrote:
> What sort of performance penalty do you tend to see when emulating x86
> on the pi?
What do expect from such a small & limited computer compared almost any
x86? Everything slowing to a crawl.
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From: Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 02:55:28 -0500
randon <randon@nimbulus.xyz> wrote:
> What sort of performance penalty do you tend to see when emulating x86
> on the pi?
Which Pi Which x86 ? Any Pi will easily outperform a 16MHz 80386
under emulation at the other extreme I'd expect at least two orders of
magnitude between the best Pi4 emulation and the fastest current x86 based,
multi-core, server targeted room heater.
If it matters measure it for real, there will be far too many
factors for meaningful predictions.
--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 02:55:28 -0500
randon <randon@nimbulus.xyz> wrote:
> What sort of performance penalty do you tend to see when emulating x86
> on the pi?
Which Pi Which x86 ? Any Pi will easily outperform a 16MHz 80386
under emulation at the other extreme I'd expect at least two orders of
magnitude between the best Pi4 emulation and the fastest current x86 based,
multi-core, server targeted room heater.
If it matters measure it for real, there will be far too many
factors for meaningful predictions.
--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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From: A. Dumas <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid>
A. Dumas <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote:
> randon <randon@nimbulus.xyz> wrote:
>> What sort of performance penalty do you tend to see when emulating x86
>> on the pi?
>
> What do expect from such a small & limited computer compared almost any
> x86? Everything slowing to a crawl.
+you, +to. Moar coffee.
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A. Dumas <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote:
> randon <randon@nimbulus.xyz> wrote:
>> What sort of performance penalty do you tend to see when emulating x86
>> on the pi?
>
> What do expect from such a small & limited computer compared almost any
> x86? Everything slowing to a crawl.
+you, +to. Moar coffee.
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From: David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid>
On 06/01/2022 07:55, randon wrote:
> What sort of performance penalty do you tend to see when emulating x86
> on the pi?
>
> -Nigel
I have the Twister OS running on a Raspberry Pi 400, and running PlanePlotter
(x86 Windows software). I've not made any formal performance comparisons but
my impression is that it is noticeably slower than a 5-year old (nominally) x86
PC. PlanePlotter is a relatively lightweight program which doesn't need
anything more than Windows XP, so possibly the degradation with a complex
Windows-10 program would be considerably more.
Try it and see - you just need a spare SD card!
https://twisteros.com/download.html
--
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
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On 06/01/2022 07:55, randon wrote:
> What sort of performance penalty do you tend to see when emulating x86
> on the pi?
>
> -Nigel
I have the Twister OS running on a Raspberry Pi 400, and running PlanePlotter
(x86 Windows software). I've not made any formal performance comparisons but
my impression is that it is noticeably slower than a 5-year old (nominally) x86
PC. PlanePlotter is a relatively lightweight program which doesn't need
anything more than Windows XP, so possibly the degradation with a complex
Windows-10 program would be considerably more.
Try it and see - you just need a spare SD card!
https://twisteros.com/download.html
--
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
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From: druck <news@druck.org.uk>
On 06/01/2022 10:33, David Taylor wrote:
> On 06/01/2022 07:55, randon wrote:
>> What sort of performance penalty do you tend to see when emulating x86
>> on the pi?
>>
>> -Nigel
>
> I have the Twister OS running on a Raspberry Pi 400, and running
> PlanePlotter (x86 Windows software). I've not made any formal
> performance comparisons but my impression is that it is noticeably
> slower than a 5-year old (nominally) x86 PC. PlanePlotter is a
> relatively lightweight program which doesn't need anything more than
> Windows XP, so possibly the degradation with a complex Windows-10
> program would be considerably more.
An alternative is Virtual Radar (https://www.virtualradarserver.co.uk/)
its a .NET application which will run happily under Mono on a Linux
Raspberry Pi. I'm using it alongside piaware on a 3B+ in the attic,
connected to an ADSB dongle and fairly decent antenna.
---druck
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On 06/01/2022 10:33, David Taylor wrote:
> On 06/01/2022 07:55, randon wrote:
>> What sort of performance penalty do you tend to see when emulating x86
>> on the pi?
>>
>> -Nigel
>
> I have the Twister OS running on a Raspberry Pi 400, and running
> PlanePlotter (x86 Windows software). I've not made any formal
> performance comparisons but my impression is that it is noticeably
> slower than a 5-year old (nominally) x86 PC. PlanePlotter is a
> relatively lightweight program which doesn't need anything more than
> Windows XP, so possibly the degradation with a complex Windows-10
> program would be considerably more.
An alternative is Virtual Radar (https://www.virtualradarserver.co.uk/)
its a .NET application which will run happily under Mono on a Linux
Raspberry Pi. I'm using it alongside piaware on a 3B+ in the attic,
connected to an ADSB dongle and fairly decent antenna.
---druck
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From: Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com>
On a sunny day (Thu, 6 Jan 2022 14:38:28 +0000) it happened druck
<news@druck.org.uk> wrote in <sr6ut4$bdv$1@dont-email.me>:
>On 06/01/2022 10:33, David Taylor wrote:
>> On 06/01/2022 07:55, randon wrote:
>>> What sort of performance penalty do you tend to see when emulating x86
>>>
>on the pi?
>>>
>>> -Nigel
>>
>> I have the Twister OS running on a Raspberry Pi 400, and running
>> PlanePlotter (x86 Windows software).=C2=A0 I've not made any formal
>> performance comparisons but my impression is that it is noticeably
>> slower than a 5-year old (nominally) x86 PC.=C2=A0 PlanePlotter is a
>> relatively lightweight program which doesn't need anything more than
>> Windows XP, so possibly the degradation with a complex Windows-10
>> program would be considerably more.
>
>An alternative is Virtual Radar (https://www.virtualradarserver.co.uk/)
>its a .NET application which will run happily under Mono on a Linux
>Raspberry Pi. I'm using it alongside piaware on a 3B+ in the attic,
>connected to an ADSB dongle and fairly decent antenna.
Oh planes? Wrote my own, running as server on an old Pi 1
http://panteltje.com/pub/xgpspc_5_planes.gif
rtl-sdr stick, 15 cm indoor antenna
Just uses dump1090 and plot its output on the local map.
Does ships too if antenna connected
http://panteltje.com/pub/boats_and_planes.gif
also calculates firing parameters...
Very old version here:
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/xgpspc/index.html
can do a lot more..
air pressure, storm warnings, temperature, humidity, GPS, CO.
output logged 24/7 on an other Pi 4.
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On a sunny day (Thu, 6 Jan 2022 14:38:28 +0000) it happened druck
<news@druck.org.uk> wrote in <sr6ut4$bdv$1@dont-email.me>:
>On 06/01/2022 10:33, David Taylor wrote:
>> On 06/01/2022 07:55, randon wrote:
>>> What sort of performance penalty do you tend to see when emulating x86
>>>
>on the pi?
>>>
>>> -Nigel
>>
>> I have the Twister OS running on a Raspberry Pi 400, and running
>> PlanePlotter (x86 Windows software).=C2=A0 I've not made any formal
>> performance comparisons but my impression is that it is noticeably
>> slower than a 5-year old (nominally) x86 PC.=C2=A0 PlanePlotter is a
>> relatively lightweight program which doesn't need anything more than
>> Windows XP, so possibly the degradation with a complex Windows-10
>> program would be considerably more.
>
>An alternative is Virtual Radar (https://www.virtualradarserver.co.uk/)
>its a .NET application which will run happily under Mono on a Linux
>Raspberry Pi. I'm using it alongside piaware on a 3B+ in the attic,
>connected to an ADSB dongle and fairly decent antenna.
Oh planes? Wrote my own, running as server on an old Pi 1
http://panteltje.com/pub/xgpspc_5_planes.gif
rtl-sdr stick, 15 cm indoor antenna
Just uses dump1090 and plot its output on the local map.
Does ships too if antenna connected
http://panteltje.com/pub/boats_and_planes.gif
also calculates firing parameters...
Very old version here:
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/xgpspc/index.html
can do a lot more..
air pressure, storm warnings, temperature, humidity, GPS, CO.
output logged 24/7 on an other Pi 4.
---
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From: David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid>
On 06/01/2022 14:38, druck wrote:
> An alternative is Virtual Radar (https://www.virtualradarserver.co.uk/)
> its a .NET application which will run happily under Mono on a Linux
> Raspberry Pi. I'm using it alongside piaware on a 3B+ in the attic,
> connected to an ADSB dongle and fairly decent antenna.
>
> ---druck
Thanks, I'm aware of that program, but PlanePlotter and its central server is
my preferred arrangement. I'm using PlanePlotter on a Windows PC with The
Beast receiver, although I've also tested with other hardware including Airspy
and RTL dongle with dump1090. Your input to PlanePlotter would be most
welcome. I also feed the usual commercial servers.
In my reply I was just reporting on how well an x86/Windows software runs under
ARM/RPi/Linux.
--
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
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On 06/01/2022 14:38, druck wrote:
> An alternative is Virtual Radar (https://www.virtualradarserver.co.uk/)
> its a .NET application which will run happily under Mono on a Linux
> Raspberry Pi. I'm using it alongside piaware on a 3B+ in the attic,
> connected to an ADSB dongle and fairly decent antenna.
>
> ---druck
Thanks, I'm aware of that program, but PlanePlotter and its central server is
my preferred arrangement. I'm using PlanePlotter on a Windows PC with The
Beast receiver, although I've also tested with other hardware including Airspy
and RTL dongle with dump1090. Your input to PlanePlotter would be most
welcome. I also feed the usual commercial servers.
In my reply I was just reporting on how well an x86/Windows software runs under
ARM/RPi/Linux.
--
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
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From: Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de>
Am Dienstag, 04. Januar 2022, um 11:49:08 Uhr schrieb F. W.:
> Do you know a chance to install GOOGLE CHROME? Chromium does not work
> here.
Here https://www.google.com/chrome/ Google only provides amd64 builds,
so there is no direct way from Google to get ARM packages for Raspberry
Pi.
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Am Dienstag, 04. Januar 2022, um 11:49:08 Uhr schrieb F. W.:
> Do you know a chance to install GOOGLE CHROME? Chromium does not work
> here.
Here https://www.google.com/chrome/ Google only provides amd64 builds,
so there is no direct way from Google to get ARM packages for Raspberry
Pi.
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From: F. W. <me@home.com>
Am 05.01.2022 um 01:03 schrieb Theo:
> Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote:
>> On 2022-01-04, F. W. <me@home.com> wrote:
>>> I can not sync for my login seems not to work.
>>>
>>
>> What "login"?
>
> I presume logging in to their Google account in the browser for
> syncing bookmarks, history, etc. Which is different from logging
> into the Gmail, Google Apps, etc websites.
>
>> How do you know it is a problem with chromium?
>
>
https://askubuntu.com/questions/1322559/sync-chromium-with-a-google-account-does
-not-work-any-more-solutions
>
>
says Google deliberately broke it in March.
>
> The post at the bottom links to a workaround by inserting some API
> keys you can generate on Google Cloud Platform into a Chromium config
> file. It may or may not work!
>
> Theo
Theo is right.
So I switched on all my machines to Firefox.
FW
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Am 05.01.2022 um 01:03 schrieb Theo:
> Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote:
>> On 2022-01-04, F. W. <me@home.com> wrote:
>>> I can not sync for my login seems not to work.
>>>
>>
>> What "login"?
>
> I presume logging in to their Google account in the browser for
> syncing bookmarks, history, etc. Which is different from logging
> into the Gmail, Google Apps, etc websites.
>
>> How do you know it is a problem with chromium?
>
>
https://askubuntu.com/questions/1322559/sync-chromium-with-a-google-account-does
-not-work-any-more-solutions
>
>
says Google deliberately broke it in March.
>
> The post at the bottom links to a workaround by inserting some API
> keys you can generate on Google Cloud Platform into a Chromium config
> file. It may or may not work!
>
> Theo
Theo is right.
So I switched on all my machines to Firefox.
FW
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